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Sandrestal
Pakistani Taxi Drivers
#1 - 2012-01-01 15:13:46 UTC
Out of curiosity how fast can you get ice harvestors to cycle with a lone hulk ? Fittings?
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
#2 - 2012-01-01 15:27:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Akita T
I would encourage you to play with this little piece of software called EFT (EVE Fitting Tool) : https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=24359
It can answer that question of yours with a bit of fiddling, and a lot of other questions regarding ship fits, skills, implants and such.

Also, you left out a very vital piece of information - is this a SOLO ice-mining Hulk, or is it one in a "boosted" mining op ?
And if it's one in an op with leadership bonuses, what implants/skills/ship/fit does the mining op lead have (T1 or T2 links, BC/Orca/Rorqual, leadership skill levels, mindlink) ?
Because the difference between a maxed-out solo Hulk and a lowly cheap-fit Covetor (and sometimes even a decent fit Retriever) in a bonused op is actually in favor of the Covetor(/Retriever) most of the time (depending on how well-bonused the op is).

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Zifrian
The Frog Pond
Ribbit.
#3 - 2012-01-01 15:40:47 UTC
Two Ice Harvester Upgrades, Max Hulk Skills, Yeti 5% implant, T2 Ice Harvesters = 250.76 seconds.

Fleet with a max skill Orca and you can get 169.65 seconds.

Use a Mackinaw instead of a Hulk:
Solo = 276.52
Orca Boost = 187.12 seconds.
(You get 1 more ice block per cycle)

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Sandrestal
Pakistani Taxi Drivers
#4 - 2012-01-01 17:05:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Sandrestal
Well what I'm looking at is presently I'm using 2 accts to mine ice. One is in a Mack and the other in a boosting Orca. At present I'm at 318 sec. a cyle. In another couple of hours I should have the added cpu skill so I can fit a second IHU t2.. At any rate with equal skills, If both of my accts are in Hulks with comparable fittings and skills, will I be able to mine more ice than the Orca and Mack.? I have to take into acct the hulks will have to make runs to the stations where-as the Orca can hold 180 blks of ice. With IHU's on the hulks I'll be down to 10k cargo capacity each or 3 cycles to fill. This is about 15 minutes (or less) to fill. That's 4 trips to station per hour or 8-10 minutes lost in travel time.

So without getting into implants, what is the sweet spot?

Edit: With Zifrians examples it would seem 2 hulks would be quite a bit better than a Mack/Orca other than hauling time.
Roscojameson
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2012-01-01 17:43:49 UTC
2 macks would get you more overall. If you'd rather not go back and forth to a station mack+orca would be better than a hulk. at minimum skills a hulk is almost as good as a mack in ice, but once you get T2 harvesters and lvl 4/5 exhumers the mack oershadows it.
Zifrian
The Frog Pond
Ribbit.
#6 - 2012-01-01 18:07:24 UTC
Here's some screens on those options:

Hulk:
Hulk Solo 22 per hour so 44 with 2 hulks
Hulk Orca 57 per hour

Mackinaw:
Mack Solo 32 per hour, so 64 with 2 macks
Mack Orca 64 per hour

Some overlap of course between how many hours you mine. Skills etc could come into play more later maybe.

Let me know if this makes sense, trying to get some feedback on this new tab I'm working on right now. Smile

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Velicitia
XS Tech
#7 - 2012-01-01 20:14:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Velicitia
Zifrian wrote:
Here's some screens on those options:

Hulk:
Hulk Solo 22 per hour so 44 with 2 hulks
Hulk Orca 57 per hour

Mackinaw:
Mack Solo 32 per hour, so 64 with 2 macks
Mack Orca 64 per hour

Some overlap of course between how many hours you mine. Skills etc could come into play more later maybe.

Let me know if this makes sense, trying to get some feedback on this new tab I'm working on right now. Smile


with maxxed skills and T1 links, I'm showing 66 ice/hour with a Mack/Orca, or up to 70 if the Mack pilot has the Yeti implant.
T2 links, and you top out at 77 ice/hour in a Mack.

edit -- and without gang bonuses, 49-52 ice/hour (depending on whether you have the yeti implant).

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Sandrestal
Pakistani Taxi Drivers
#8 - 2012-01-01 21:10:39 UTC
Well, it looks like I still have a bit of training to do. Thanks for all your informative replies
Tarsus Zateki
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#9 - 2012-01-02 08:12:24 UTC
You would be better off investing your skill points in combat related skills. The profit margin on ice mining is so laughable you would be better off paying a homeless person real money to kick you in the junk repeatedly.

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Sandrestal
Pakistani Taxi Drivers
#10 - 2012-01-03 02:54:37 UTC
Tarsus Zateki wrote:
You would be better off investing your skill points in combat related skills. The profit margin on ice mining is so laughable you would be better off paying a homeless person real money to kick you in the junk repeatedly.


Heh, I allready have 2 alts helping Goons in Branch, and 2 alts that run lvl 4 missions. The mining alts are for when I have other things to do. White Glaze also gives me fuel for my one alts Chimera.

On a side note I fitted Ice Harvestors on a hulk and by my calculations 2 hulks would mine about 66 blks in a hour as opposed to 1 mack/orca doing 48 blks. This using the skills each has presently. Still have room to do better.
Intar Medris
KarmaFleet University
#11 - 2012-01-03 09:06:52 UTC
Sandrestal wrote:
Tarsus Zateki wrote:
You would be better off investing your skill points in combat related skills. The profit margin on ice mining is so laughable you would be better off paying a homeless person real money to kick you in the junk repeatedly.


Heh, I allready have 2 alts helping Goons in Branch, and 2 alts that run lvl 4 missions. The mining alts are for when I have other things to do. White Glaze also gives me fuel for my one alts Chimera.

On a side note I fitted Ice Harvestors on a hulk and by my calculations 2 hulks would mine about 66 blks in a hour as opposed to 1 mack/orca doing 48 blks. This using the skills each has presently. Still have room to do better.


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