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Mag's
Azn Empire
#61 - 2015-07-28 23:43:35 UTC
Am I too late for the lynching? I have my pitchfork and torch ready to round you bad boys up.

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Valkin Mordirc
#62 - 2015-07-28 23:58:04 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:



Also I guarantee you they will have been wardecked by someone reading this thread.




SO I was going to dec them.


Been then I noticed I already did.


That corp was...a really bad corp...
#DeleteTheWeak
Valkin Mordirc
#63 - 2015-07-29 00:08:27 UTC
Also what is the point of everyone arguing about this. It's a bunch of players who got decced and don't learn from their mistakes and it's somehow the Wardeccing corps fault? Why is this corp at fault? What about this one?


Look at the war history,

The Marmite Collective:108= 2.56b EVE College: 1=185.28m

The only reason Devils KB is showing that corp, is because they don't mass dec.

Why wasn't this such a big deal? When it happened? Oh because some random decided to make a forum post about it? Because you couldn't care otherwise unless it was pointed right under your noses?

Listen This kinda dec happens A LOT. And it's really not the Deccers fault that somebody brought a bunch of newbies into corp and then completely ignored them entirely.

That is more or less the CEO's fault. Or the games fault which ever. But don't expect somebody to have free reign at the Taco bar but suddenly Freak out when they happen to take 10 chimichangas. =\
#DeleteTheWeak
Harrison Tato
Yamato Holdings
#64 - 2015-07-29 00:40:19 UTC
When you start getting flak you know you are over the target!
Avaelica Kuershin
Paper Cats
#65 - 2015-07-29 00:54:47 UTC
Valkin Mordirc wrote:

That is more or less the CEO's fault. Or the games fault which ever. But don't expect somebody to have free reign at the Taco bar but suddenly Freak out when they happen to take 10 chimichangas. =\


I'll have to try and get my noob test alt invited, if only to test the opportunities. (and for a certain amount of S&G)
Cancel Align NOW
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#66 - 2015-07-29 01:25:29 UTC
Desert Ice78 wrote:
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Thorlund Amatin wrote:
Let's just say... if you check the kills of a certain well-known alliance of Lucifer's soldiers... the picture will become clear.



You realise this isn't their first wardec right?
That it's not our responsibility to ensure that their members understand what they're signing up for
and in fact should be doing so themselves.

Are they?

Is there any mention anywhere in their current recruitment process that they might be targeted?

Has anyone in the corp said or done anything to enable their newbros to defend themselves?

You realise lords.of.midnight is a teaching corp that is well known for recruiting players they shoot.

Bet you weren't aware we are actually already training one of the lads from that corp.


Also I guarantee you they will have been wardecked by someone reading this thread.



The question being asked I believe is: -

1.) Is this corp merely a front for a war-deccing corp to lure 0-day noobs into a war for cheap shitz and giggles?

2.) Is CCP ok with this?

Personally, 6 years in game, nothing would surprise me. Also, personally speaking because I love this game, I'd hit them so hard with the ban hammer the ears of the decedents of their decedents will be ringing.


Eve is a game of meta. There are many more possible options.

Disgruntled ex CCP employee (and or customers) starts corp to lure in newbies while hiring mercs to hit same corp.

Anti high sec pvp folk attempt to manipulate CCP's opinion of high sec mercenary corps by "outing" known mercs by baiting yhem to attack their own newbie corp.

Seriously as far as we can determine by the facts available to us maybe you are the puppet master Desert Ice78? This maybe part of your plan to eliminate some folks who have been grinding your gears.

For the record: I hope CCP investigate this properly and if anyone has been gaming the system to hunt newbies their assets are disolved and they are publicly identified.
Webvan
All Kill No Skill
#67 - 2015-07-29 01:41:42 UTC
meh, insignificant info to inject my opinionated remarks.
The magic 8 ball says: yes, no, maybe.
As CCP mentioned, submit a ticket, good advice.

I'm in it for the money

Ctrl+Alt+Shift+F12
Major Triscuits
Doomheim
#68 - 2015-07-29 02:26:36 UTC
What a time to be alive.
Dave Stark
#69 - 2015-07-29 03:30:13 UTC
Valkin Mordirc wrote:
it's really not the Deccers fault that somebody brought a bunch of newbies into corp and then completely ignored them entirely.

In the not too distant past, **** corps like that would have been targeted and dismantled by awoxers, now they are free to breed and be targets for wardecs.

Awoxing kept **** corps that ruined the npe of many new players from doing so... alas, no more.
Omar Alharazaad
New Eden Tech Support
#70 - 2015-07-29 07:07:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Omar Alharazaad
Oh. Hey there folks. I just found this thread.
Sorry I'm so late, had to get the blood out of my favorite clown suit. Big smile

A few things.
I've shot a few of these guys. Heck, it's hard NOT to, to be honest. They're everywhere.
Once or twice I've actually stumbled across one of them on accident when they were sitting afk in space off a gate. Shocked
There seem to be a few of them that actually understand what's going on, and the rest are pretty much oblivious.
After an extended beating, most of the time you would expect a corporation to start leaking members, yet for some odd reason these guys just keep growing.

Only once have any of them that I've interacted with attempted communication, and that was a Venture pilot I'd popped yesterday.
He was genuinely confused as to why he'd been killed, but was not really upset.
He had NO idea what it meant to be in a war in the game.
So we chatted for a bit and I explained to him the very basics of what it meant, and gave a few tips for making survival a more achievable thing for him.

What I gleaned out of this? Their CEO appears to be a heartless wretch who is willfully mass recruiting cannon fodder without taking a moment to give the slightest warning of what they're getting into. The times I was in system with him, or even just with a scout he never undocked, but multiple younguns from his corp would be in space at the time.

Bad CEO is bad, and unfortunately the members suffer for this. Ugh

Edit: The tinfoil hat conspiracy stuff is an interesting speculation, but I honestly think this is much simpler and far less devious than some folks are making this out to be. This is a terrible leadership issue from what I can tell.

Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
Thorlund Amatin
Doomheim
#71 - 2015-07-29 07:51:09 UTC
Omar Alharazaad wrote:
What I gleaned out of this? Their CEO appears to be a heartless wretch who is willfully mass recruiting cannon fodder without taking a moment to give the slightest warning of what they're getting into.


What concerned me is why that CEO would specifically recruit newbies, whilst under wardec. Is he simply a well-intentioned but terrible CEO who had visions of bringing in newbies and training them up into PvP pilots, but allowed them to get slaughtered due to ineptitude?

Or is it shenanigans designed to provide easy fodder for killboard-padding deccers?

Considering the sheer number of losses over the course of several months, plus the fact that the CEO has no activity on Zkillboard I strongly suspect it's the latter.
Avvy
Doomheim
#72 - 2015-07-29 07:57:10 UTC
Thorlund Amatin wrote:


What concerned me is why that CEO would specifically recruit newbies, whilst under wardec. Is he simply a well-intentioned but terrible CEO who had visions of bringing in newbies and training them up into PvP pilots, but allowed them to get slaughtered due to ineptitude?



Maybe he recruits them so an alt can kill them.
Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#73 - 2015-07-29 08:05:12 UTC
Avvy wrote:
Thorlund Amatin wrote:


What concerned me is why that CEO would specifically recruit newbies, whilst under wardec. Is he simply a well-intentioned but terrible CEO who had visions of bringing in newbies and training them up into PvP pilots, but allowed them to get slaughtered due to ineptitude?



Maybe he recruits them so an alt can kill them.



you're a bit late to the party Avvy Cool

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*
Avvy
Doomheim
#74 - 2015-07-29 08:07:42 UTC
Lan Wang wrote:
Avvy wrote:
Thorlund Amatin wrote:


What concerned me is why that CEO would specifically recruit newbies, whilst under wardec. Is he simply a well-intentioned but terrible CEO who had visions of bringing in newbies and training them up into PvP pilots, but allowed them to get slaughtered due to ineptitude?



Maybe he recruits them so an alt can kill them.



you're a bit late to the party Avvy Cool


Must be the hangover Oops
Omar Alharazaad
New Eden Tech Support
#75 - 2015-07-29 08:23:42 UTC
Thorlund Amatin wrote:
Omar Alharazaad wrote:
What I gleaned out of this? Their CEO appears to be a heartless wretch who is willfully mass recruiting cannon fodder without taking a moment to give the slightest warning of what they're getting into.


What concerned me is why that CEO would specifically recruit newbies, whilst under wardec. Is he simply a well-intentioned but terrible CEO who had visions of bringing in newbies and training them up into PvP pilots, but allowed them to get slaughtered due to ineptitude?

Or is it shenanigans designed to provide easy fodder for killboard-padding deccers?

Considering the sheer number of losses over the course of several months, plus the fact that the CEO has no activity on Zkillboard I strongly suspect it's the latter.



Thing is, and I can really only speak for myself here and not those who belong to other organizations, but I prefer kills that are more flavorful and juicy. If I really cared to pad up my killboard I'd just go dry hump a bunch of MTU's to get some mission battleships to volunteer for the job.

The wholesale slaughter of nooblets in cheap ships isn't really enticing enough to merit such nefarious and for that matter widespread 'shenanigans'. I really don't feel that there's a master plan at work here. This reeks more of ineptitude and a callous disregard for the well-being of those who are dependent on the leadership that is doing them dirty.

Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
Nicolai Serkanner
Incredible.
Brave Collective
#76 - 2015-07-29 09:06:07 UTC
Thorlund Amatin wrote:
Nicolai Serkanner wrote:
Look at the history of Brave Newbies. We were new, we were massacred (still are) and we loved it! Do you call that rookie griefing as well?


Not if you clearly advertised your corp as a highly active PvP corp so that players joining you knew what they were in for.

The corp I'm talking about spams newbies in rookie systems with a recruitment ad that boasts its 0.0% tax rate as in incentive to join. It's not the same thing.


Nonsense. It is every new player's obligation to inform him or herself. You can learn a lot before throwing yourself to the wolves. newbies aren't innocent babies that need to be breastfed, they are new players willingly not informing themselves. This is a MMORPG PvP game, you know that when you start and EvE is famous enough for its ruthlessness and new players also know that. You are insulting most new players by assuming they are only pathetic, incompetent cannon fodder.
Nicolai Serkanner
Incredible.
Brave Collective
#77 - 2015-07-29 09:13:29 UTC
flakeys wrote:
Nicolai Serkanner wrote:
Thorlund Amatin wrote:
I'm not going to change my previous post Ralph, and here's why. After my last post in this thread I logged in and checked both of the war reports of the dec between your alliance and the corp in question (your alliance has decced this corp twice, and no you're not the only ones to dec them).

Out of the current total of 114 kills by your alliance against this corp, literally every single victim apart from one was created in July 2015. The other one was created in June. Your alliance is deccing players that are less than a month old - as are the other corps/alliances.

Now, to me there is something very strange about this. The sheer numbers of new players in this corp falling victim to the deccers are not normal. Just look at the losses. My suspicion is that the corp was created as a trap for new players so deccers could shoot them like fish in a barrel, and let's be honest, that's what you and other deccers have been doing. That's why you decced them a second time just days after scoring over 100 kills against them.

And don't pretend you never check the players you're podding. You - and I mean everyone who decced them - knew you were killing new players. You probably didn't know they were recruited in noob systems, maybe some did, I can't say. But it looks like some serious rookie griefing is going on here - and will continue to go on as long as you guys keep shooting them - and I have left it to the GMs to sort out.


Look at the history of Brave Newbies. We were new, we were massacred (still are) and we loved it! Do you call that rookie griefing as well?



Unlike most players you guys pulled your pants down from day one and asked to be abused over and over.Maybe that is the reason why PL and BL gave you that special treatment .. who knowsLol.Some people just like S&M ....


And we are still alive and kicking. So, even the beating by PL and BL didn't make us leave the game, did it? On the contrary. Lots of BRAVE players joined and formed other corporations like Pandemic Horde and Karmafleet. TEST, NC had an influx of BRAVE players et cetera. Losing ships in a PvP game built around shooting spaceships makes you keep playing the game. I can not understand why so many just can't grasp that.
Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#78 - 2015-07-29 09:17:44 UTC
Nicolai Serkanner wrote:
Thorlund Amatin wrote:
Nicolai Serkanner wrote:
Look at the history of Brave Newbies. We were new, we were massacred (still are) and we loved it! Do you call that rookie griefing as well?


Not if you clearly advertised your corp as a highly active PvP corp so that players joining you knew what they were in for.

The corp I'm talking about spams newbies in rookie systems with a recruitment ad that boasts its 0.0% tax rate as in incentive to join. It's not the same thing.


Nonsense. It is every new player's obligation to inform him or herself. You can learn a lot before throwing yourself to the wolves. newbies aren't innocent babies that need to be breastfed, they are new players willingly not informing themselves. This is a MMORPG PvP game, you know that when you start and EvE is famous enough for its ruthlessness and new players also know that. You are insulting most new players by assuming they are only pathetic, incompetent cannon fodder.


when new players a constantly killed by so called "elite pvpers" the only thing you learn is this game sucks, especially when they cant even undock from a station because these mesiahs of highsec who think they are teaching the game to newbies are just farming them, yeah good job you really do show how much of a good player you are, that killboard is incredible dont try and paint it as something which is good for the game.

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*
Avaelica Kuershin
Paper Cats
#79 - 2015-07-29 09:32:32 UTC
Lan Wang wrote:


when new players a constantly killed by so called "elite pvpers" the only thing you learn is this game sucks, especially when they cant even undock from a station because these mesiahs of highsec who think they are teaching the game to newbies are just farming them, yeah good job you really do show how much of a good player you are, that killboard is incredible dont try and paint it as something which is good for the game.


I wonder if the newbies have explained to them that they are at war. Not by the CEO Roll, but by those doing the shooting.
Avvy
Doomheim
#80 - 2015-07-29 09:35:21 UTC
Lan Wang wrote:
Nicolai Serkanner wrote:
Thorlund Amatin wrote:
Nicolai Serkanner wrote:
Look at the history of Brave Newbies. We were new, we were massacred (still are) and we loved it! Do you call that rookie griefing as well?


Not if you clearly advertised your corp as a highly active PvP corp so that players joining you knew what they were in for.

The corp I'm talking about spams newbies in rookie systems with a recruitment ad that boasts its 0.0% tax rate as in incentive to join. It's not the same thing.


Nonsense. It is every new player's obligation to inform him or herself. You can learn a lot before throwing yourself to the wolves. newbies aren't innocent babies that need to be breastfed, they are new players willingly not informing themselves. This is a MMORPG PvP game, you know that when you start and EvE is famous enough for its ruthlessness and new players also know that. You are insulting most new players by assuming they are only pathetic, incompetent cannon fodder.


when new players a constantly killed by so called "elite pvpers" the only thing you learn is this game sucks, especially when they cant even undock from a station because these mesiahs of highsec who think they are teaching the game to newbies are just farming them, yeah good job you really do show how much of a good player you are, that killboard is incredible dont try and paint it as something which is good for the game.



Yeah, of course the other problem is, that their bad experience may become a barrier to them for joining another player corp.