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Cyber Bullying

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Hirl
Commando Guri
Guristas Pirates
#1 - 2015-07-27 01:15:57 UTC
Dear Council of Stellar Management,
Though I voted for some of you, but not all of you, or atleast I don't remember who I voted for anymore, I would like to bring this up to your attention so you may work with the developers on this.

Cyber bullying is happening here in this community every day, and there has been a few posts that talked about it here and there. But no action has been made. Maybe nobody knows what exactly Cyberbullying is, so here is a definition:
Quote:
Cyberbullying is bullying that takes place using electronic technology. Electronic technology includes devices and equipment such as cell phones, computers, and tablets as well as communication tools including social media sites, text messages, chat, and websites.

Source: http://www.stopbullying.gov/cyberbullying/what-is-it/index.html

What are the effects of bullying?
Quote:
Bullying can affect everyone—those who are bullied, those who bully, and those who witness bullying. Bullying is linked to many negative outcomes including impacts on mental health, substance use, and suicide.

Source: http://www.stopbullying.gov/at-risk/effects/index.html

One of the biggest examples of Cyber bullying is the advertisement of it through social media and spreading it in the community through normal means (bios, chat rooms, forums, and etc...). An example of that is CODE.

Another is suicide ganks, as it specifically targets the weak (mostly unarmed), it is intentional, with the whole purpose of nothing but to bully the weaker player for their own personal enjoyment. And what comes after the gank is typically taunts and trolling. And there is no consequences for the bully, only the victim is penalized (losing a frigate by CONCORD isn't a huge consequence compare to the losses of the victim).

I do not expect players to play "nice" as that would be unrealistic as that would be like asking people to not troll this post. However, the CSM and Developers has a strong influence in this game, and with appropriate action could levitate much of the bullying going on around here and make the game enjoyable for everyone. Therefore I ask the CSM to look into this matter and hopefully come up with a solution, preferably something better than Mittani's statements back in 2012.
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#2 - 2015-07-27 01:38:30 UTC
Please go away.


Actually, better yet, post your lossmail and we can probably tell you how to not get ganked next time.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#3 - 2015-07-27 02:01:52 UTC
I respond thusly.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

Rawketsled
Generic Corp Name
#4 - 2015-07-27 03:29:43 UTC
Purchase a permit from your nearest agent and you won't be bullied.
Black Pedro
Mine.
#5 - 2015-07-27 05:36:00 UTC
I respectfully suggest the OP might be playing the wrong game. Eve Online is a competitive PvP sandbox universe based on the constant destruction of player-built assets. Suicide ganking has been confirmed by CCP as an intended mechanic many times and it facilitates the destruction cycle. The game has explicitly been designed so your stuff is never 100% safe even in highsec.

As for other player behaviour, that is not a CSM matter. If you think someone is "cyberbullying" you, you should take that to your local law enforcement. Also, the EULA is crystal clear that real-life harassment and personal insults are not allowed, so you should make a petition to CCP if you experience that and they take that very seriously.

Regardless of your feelings on the matter, this view that ganking is bullying ( http://gankingisbullying.blogspot.com ) is plain wrong and devalues these terms and the experiences of real victims of cyberbullying. If you do not like Eve or the other players in it, I suggest you find a passtime more compatible with your sensibilities.
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#6 - 2015-07-27 05:48:39 UTC
Counter-argument: You are playing a game set in a dystopian, hyper-capitalist society where almost every mechanic and playstyle is generally designed to "step on the toes" of others and cause conflict, chaos, warfare, and ego driven pissing contests.

Moreover... the lore is filled with prostitution, slavery, murder, mass murder, assassinations, torture, suicide, ransoming, blackmail, back-stabbing, corruption, genetic atrocities, cybernetic atrocities, deliberate man-made environmental catastrophes, poverty, starvation, human sacrifice, necro-resurrections, manic psychosis, sociopathy, and every other shade of grey between.


Seriously though...

CCP has stated that they take such things on a "case-by-case" basis. That "clear line" you are looking for will never be, nor can be, "clear" as any and all interaction between any two people is never "clear cut" from the start.

Some people are too sensitive.
Some people are too desensitized.
Everyone has a different range of things that will set them off.

And because of those things you can never scrub any interaction down to the point where no one is offended. Someone always will be.

You, Mr. OP, are leaning too far towards the "too sensitive" range. I advise you to harden up a bit lest others start making demands on you offending/insulting/disregarding us and our playstyles.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#7 - 2015-07-27 14:45:44 UTC
On the street it is assault and robbery

On the pitch it is a brilliant play that wins the game.

If you don't want to be tackled, stay off the football pitch.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016

Mag's
Azn Empire
#8 - 2015-07-27 15:47:55 UTC
You're playing an RPGMMO that is known for it's extremely competitive sandbox nature. Either accept the game for what it is, or stop playing.

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.

Baaldor
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#9 - 2015-07-28 18:05:38 UTC
Hirl wrote:
Dear Council of Stellar Management,
Though I voted for some of you, but not all of you, or atleast I don't remember who I voted for anymore, I would like to bring this up to your attention so you may work with the developers on this.

Cyber bullying is happening here in this community every day, and there has been a few posts that talked about it here and there. But no action has been made. Maybe nobody knows what exactly Cyberbullying is, so here is a definition:
Quote:
Cyberbullying is bullying that takes place using electronic technology. Electronic technology includes devices and equipment such as cell phones, computers, and tablets as well as communication tools including social media sites, text messages, chat, and websites.

Source: http://www.stopbullying.gov/cyberbullying/what-is-it/index.html

What are the effects of bullying?
Quote:
Bullying can affect everyone—those who are bullied, those who bully, and those who witness bullying. Bullying is linked to many negative outcomes including impacts on mental health, substance use, and suicide.

Source: http://www.stopbullying.gov/at-risk/effects/index.html

One of the biggest examples of Cyber bullying is the advertisement of it through social media and spreading it in the community through normal means (bios, chat rooms, forums, and etc...). An example of that is CODE.

Another is suicide ganks, as it specifically targets the weak (mostly unarmed), it is intentional, with the whole purpose of nothing but to bully the weaker player for their own personal enjoyment. And what comes after the gank is typically taunts and trolling. And there is no consequences for the bully, only the victim is penalized (losing a frigate by CONCORD isn't a huge consequence compare to the losses of the victim).

I do not expect players to play "nice" as that would be unrealistic as that would be like asking people to not troll this post. However, the CSM and Developers has a strong influence in this game, and with appropriate action could levitate much of the bullying going on around here and make the game enjoyable for everyone. Therefore I ask the CSM to look into this matter and hopefully come up with a solution, preferably something better than Mittani's statements back in 2012.


HAHAHAHA, you really did not read the warning on the box did you....
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
#10 - 2015-07-28 22:46:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Steve Ronuken
Hi!

I'm afraid you're not going to be particularly persuasive with the two examples you've given.

Now, if there was an out of game event aspect to this (inappropriate taunts in channels, evemails, the forum), then you'd be covered by the EULA, could report them to a GM, and have action taken. But someone blowing up your ship is, in no way, cyber bullying.

As Malcanis pointed out, it's entirely within the rules of the game.

Would you complain is someone killed you in a multiplayer first person shooter?


Aside from that:

I'm now thinking this is a troll. What with your corporation description of 'Prepare to die.'

Woo! CSM XI!

Fuzzwork Enterprises

Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter

Lykouleon
Noble Sentiments
Second Empire.
#11 - 2015-07-29 00:13:41 UTC
Here is a game more geared to your interests.

Lykouleon > CYNO ME CLOSER so I can hit them with my sword

Mike Azariah
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2015-07-29 01:25:46 UTC
No.

Dealing with assholes is a part of playing on the internet. You are not being bullied unless . . . well, do your research. There ARE lines but code is well aware of them and walk up to but seldom cross.

I take your pawn in chess, was it theft?
I trump your ace in euchre, was it nastiness?
I beat you three times at checkers, sign of an abusive relationship?
My daughter takes you uout in the first round of kumite, should she be locked away for violent behaviours?

no

pvp happens. You are not being bullied. But you are being laughed at by some of the above folks and you ARE giving code exactly what they want to the point that I suspect you may be a code member sad that you lot have been so roundly ignored of late that the mittani.com had to publish an article for people to even know that code was stil ganking along with miniluv.

THAT made me laugh

m

Mike Azariah  ┬──┬ ¯|(ツ)

Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
Safety.
#13 - 2015-07-29 05:51:35 UTC
Calling the exploding of spaceships in a game cyberbullying just to push your agenda for a safer highsec is disgusting and you know it! You should be ashamed! Stuff like this just dilutes the term and makes it even more difficult for the person who is an actual target of cyberbullying in the real world.

This topic should be locked, it is based on a obvious lie to push the OPs agenda.
Iain Cariaba
#14 - 2015-07-29 16:04:55 UTC
OP, the simple fact that you let someone hurt your feelings over a video game demonstrates a lack of sufficient emotional maturity to play an adult video game. Please go back to Hello Kitty Online, Wizardry 101, or whatever other carebear theme park you arrived here from, and let the adults play their game.
admiral root
Red Galaxy
#15 - 2015-08-01 13:51:14 UTC
Mag's wrote:
Either accept the game for what it is, or stop playing.


I dunno, man, telling me to make a choice comes pretty close to cyber-bullying me. It's a slippery slope that ends up with me being entirely to blame if I fail-fit my ship, should I decide to keep playing. Hang on, you're one of that personal responsibility rabble, aren't you? CCP, please stop him posting - it's a form of enhanced interrogation when he keeps doing that.

No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff

admiral root
Red Galaxy
#16 - 2015-08-01 13:52:42 UTC
Mike Azariah wrote:
sad that you lot have been so roundly ignored of late that the mittani.com had to publish an article for people to even know that code was stil ganking along with miniluv.


Whilst I agreed with the bulk of your post, this is just silly and I would have thought you could do better.

No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff

Im Barassi
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#17 - 2015-08-01 21:10:14 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
I respond thusly.


OP I suggest reading all of CCP_Falcon's posts in the linked thread.

Ganking in hi sec is an absolutely intended and allowed part of the game. It is not bullying.


Posting screenshots on a public web page, of in game mail and private chat including in game identities, with or without the intent of belittling or antagonising might walk closer to the line. However as long as it stays in character it won't be seen by CCP as bullying or RL griefing.
Mike Azariah
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2015-08-02 04:08:42 UTC
admiral root wrote:
Mike Azariah wrote:
sad that you lot have been so roundly ignored of late that the mittani.com had to publish an article for people to even know that code was stil ganking along with miniluv.


Whilst I agreed with the bulk of your post, this is just silly and I would have thought you could do better.


I been tired, of late . . . I will work harder

m

Mike Azariah  ┬──┬ ¯|(ツ)

Anduin Spartan
The Soul Society
Fraternity.
#19 - 2015-08-17 18:14:22 UTC
This is Internet Spaceships. You're gonna get bullied, called names in locals and blown up on reddit if your loss was expensive. That's the way it is and it will never change.
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#20 - 2015-08-19 23:48:09 UTC
OP's posts are cyberbullying the entire EVE community. Ban OP.

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