Ships & Modules

Fun Facts...

The Rattlesnake is only 7mil more expensive than the Typhoon fleet....

The Typhoon fleet can out damage the Vindicator... (max Gank)


I will say that Both typhoons make great anti-cruiser ships. I use the basic mainly down to cost and that application bonus

Inability to fit 1400,1200 or 800 mm cannons with proper fit is BAD thing regardless of your straw argument of a faction battleship frigate killer...

Missile variant is superior in any way and is being chosen over regardless a fatal flaw of killing frigates slower(HIGHLY situational btw).

Simply put missiles on your setup and it will be better I am not home nor I feel to circle jerk with you via eft.

Still waiting for your fit.

@ lloyd

I agree with you but I will make a case that in current state ac fleet phoon is plain and simple redundant and completely overshadowed by missile version in no small part by healthy reasoning alone.

800 dps at 3km and naked ogre dmg ain't gonna convince many ppl given the second choice that they have i believe and agree with that.

Further more if CCP by any chance just buff projectile to say 10%rof on a phoon or something it will basicaly remove tempest fleet issue from the game all together that ship even now don't know what it is.

Buff the PG on a phoon so it can fit all weapons it will delete all guns battleship on minmatar side from game not to mention what that would mean for better phoon ie missile phoon all that spare PG insane buffer tanks and 3ple xl-asb madness.

While there is synergy in missile version there is none looking at projectile side of things.

Buff the fleet tempest alone like their should and ac phoon stays where is now ...nowhere

So how is it not redundant or in this case useless ignoring nostalgia and all that crap?

Remove projectile bonus let tempest fleet establish it self (if they ever get around fixing it like T1 pest)

Imo end result....better.

Also noise about CCP doing battleships so I feelt that this particular matter is of importance and despite other ppl I do not think I am pooling stuff out of my arse and there is actually valid discussion points.

To Mina Sebiestar

Typhoon and typhoon fleet issue had first the same bonuses.
Both hull advantages were the extreme versatility. With high skill, you were able to use a lot of differents and deadly fits.
The versatilty were the main bonus of these ships.

RTFM : "Possibly the most versatile vessel in New Eden, the Typhoon Fleet Issue is a true wonder in design adaptability. Boasting improved fittings, speed and weapon hardpoints over its standard counterpart, this ship is widely known as an invaluable wild card in any small-scale engagement."

The typhoon fleet was superior because of: an additionnal slot, more hp, more speed, better agility but same drone bay.
Some idiots tried to use the double bonus by fitting gyros and bcu, some even tried to add drones damage amplifier and some even ask for shield bonuses or more med slots.

The versatility does not mean you can fit all at the same time, you have to choose but you have a lot of choice.

Then ccp came with the BS redesign and the typhoon became only a missile ship, versatilty lost, and drone bay nerfed.
As counterpart, the typhoon fleet keep the versatilty with dual bonuses, large drone bay, utility slot.

Now, after many thread about how BS are brokens, we have one for the typhoon fleet ... funny

You try to explain there is no serious turrets fit for a tfi, and because of that the turret bonus should be removed in favor of your own use with and additionnal drone bonus. And again for your own use we should lose the versatility.

It is true, most of the time i use a cruise missile fit with my typhoon fleet, but i also have a turret fit i may use

let's be clear, the typhoon fleet does not need any major changes, may be a boost in power grid.
I checked your stats on zkillboard ... the typhoon fleet is not in your top ship list, it seems you have done 0 kills with it.
You do not know what you're talking. Come back when you will have achieved 10% of my kills ... Gonna take some time

Since I ♥ the flying dustbin the mostest of all BS, and also I was there when it happened, I thought I'd clarify the reasoning behind the floons's bonuses.

As said above, the typhoon used to suffer from split weapon syndrome, meaning that to get the actual DPS you thought you'd paid for, you had to use 2 T2 large weapon systems and also 2 sets of damage mods. The Fleet Typhoon is an attempt to Do This Right. It uniquely has enough turret and missile slots to fit a rack of either and more importantly it's bonuses are double strength bonuses, in that the gun bonus is supposed to be powerful enough to stand in for two normal turret bonuses (A 7.5% RoF bonus is a 1.6x damage multiplier, almost exactly the equivalent of doubling up on the old +5% damage bonus - 1.25 x 1.25 = 1.5625).

It was not intended that the fleet phoon be able to deploy 2 full sets of bonused large weapons at once. If you want a drone bonus, then you're going to sacrifice those cool double strength turret/launcher bonuses to get it.

We went down to 1200s because we didn't need the extra alpha, they track better and have a faster refire rate.

Thanks for the effort man at least you tried.

I believe even not used as often(never on phoon) that arty fits are viable they will just be worst option on a phoon because T1 is bonus less and fleet issue do not provide alpha strike regardless of 1400mm or 1200mm used.

Linked fits are missile based bar first one.there is none artyphoon or ac phoon that look serious.

Doesn't mean AC phoon isn't viable.

Black Legion used alpha fleet after ti-di came into being.

FCON used an alpha fleet doctrine a year ago prior to the rise of the ishtars.