Crime & Punishment

If we are going to treat high like a noob zone (which we are), then I think the isk nerf should be severe enough to make it a serious undertaking to buy a good noob ship.

That is to say, it should be a substantial endeavor to purchase a cruiser on high sec wages.

In the current situation, you can run high sec incursions without serious risk and have the isk to purchase the largest class of high sec pilot able craft in a couple hours.

This kind of earnings is not commensurate with the noob zone of a game.

If it's a full rights play area with different mechanics, stop trying to make it safe.

If it's a noob zone, nerf the isk making such that it only supports noob endeavors.

The current configuration is out of alignment.

Feyd having read practically everything you have written in the last 18 months (huge fan) I gotta say I think you went a little too far with your usual shock tactics on this one . I agree income needs a balance and I can't really speak for what it's like in lowsec as I still need to try it but when I was out in nullsec it's income wasn't so much higher then highsec incursions it justified the risk involved. I think the huge shift of systems is a little extreme though as Nullsec is already so empty making more of it would simply separate people more then they already are. Shrink high a little and make it low for sure but we really do not need to spread out nullsec more then it is. Also the green safeties in highsec is something I can't support. Why make a mechanically safe place to live in eve? That will drive people too highsec not away from it income be damned. You want people out of highsec make it less safe not more

Im sorry I only have time to graze the blog,


But by limiting Highsec down, and still allowing Wardecs to happen. (which if I missed I'm sorry)


It make it impossible for corps to grown as Mercenary Alliances like Marmite and Forsaken, would literally clog up every system. If Highsec became small Wardec would have to be severally limited. I like Highsec the way it is now, Minus the high-income for incursion runners, however this change would destroy either my style of gameplay, or completely destroy any newbro that happens to join a corp.


Edit1: Also I don't like Null-sec Fleets. Anchor and follow primaries, Is in no way interesting to me, small gang PVP is hard due to the fact that you could be blobbed to death. You would be completely alienated players like me in order to do this.

Edit2: Also you would completely change the value of Nullsec systems. BR5 was huge because it was close to Amarr and Highsec making it easy for HERO to work. With this change entire regions would become useless and the Far reagions would be almost barren. Nullsec is pretty much empty until a Fleet passes though, This would make Nullsec even more barren then it is now.


Further Editing: If try to force somebody to play the game you think they want to play it isn't going to work. They will quit. I didn't join EVE to be apart of a giant Alliance holding Sov. I never wanted to be like that in this. If you force people by trying to limit their area of play, you will only force them to a different game. You can't make people leave highsec to go to Sov-Space. If this happened, I would try and stay in Highsec, get annoyed, trying Nullsec, Get even further annoyed and then quit. A lot of Highsec players would do that. And if you're trying to save EVE that isn't what you want.

The only thing you can do, is make the avenues of approach open and clear to see. Not forcing them down a liner path. Like your proposal.

LVL1: Highsec, little to no income, little no content
LVL2: Lowsec: More income but not much more than Highsec, Little Content but not a whole lot.
LVL3: NULLSEC MAJOR INCOME MAJOR CONTENT *Dub step*

You need to make the path to where they want to go, clear and with precise goals to reach. Limiting Highsec isn't doing that, you just forcing them into a path blindly.

My opinions anyways

I think CCP needs to get over trying to make it the structure they want and deal with what they have.

By the numbers, high sec is the game. Null and low are fringe areas where a minority of the subscription base plays. To change high sec to a noob zone would take an isk nerf that would hit the game like a torpedo.

Also, by the skill structure high sec is about all a 2 week account is going to be able to experience. No matter how cool null is, high sec is where your "pay up" decision will be made.

They need to pack more player made content into the noob space... Because that's the only ace Eve has... Because PVE in Eve is, at best, like playing checkers against an opponent who makes the same moves every time.

What made you stay your first month? What got you to try eve?
Mine are killed under wardec and a random internet friend sold me on the market aspect of the game while we chatted about making gold on wow.

Alright, Cool. Sorry about the bad grammar I was at working and was rushing. Thanks for understanding. XD





So what you saying the tactics in Null Anchoring is mainly based on more veteran players, who are also dedicated enough to be able to fund two different accounts at a minimum?

IE: You have a Dred alt and a Standard Combat main. Dedicated Dred alts take awhile to train up as is, it would seem forever to a newbro who is still trying to train into his main. That isn't NPE, Yeah dual boxing is difficult. I triple box two combat toons and a Booster. I understand that, but I've dedicated myself to the game at this point. Some single account new is not going to be like that.

On top of that for a newbro to experience null in a form of support, Logi/Dictors would be and is, incredibly boring if you can do just one of those things. You want to force a newbro to in a role they not only have to take time to train into, but where they would have to then sit in for at least (considering that they already have the Core skills at max) a month to be effective in the next?

Most blops drops are again a more vet activity regardless anyways T2 Cloakys T3 Cloakys or all fairly long skill trains for a newbro. Even training into a Statios and along with core skills again is not NPE friendly.

So most of what Nullsec is based on, does not in anyways support a new player environment. It would be Vets with all the shiny toys verse the newbies frantically trying to out blob them. And that obviously didn't work for HERO.



Yeah EVE might be in a slump but radically changing the entire mechanics of the game on one aspect of the game to fit into what brings players in doesn't mean that what brings them keeps them in.

Highsec and Lowsec are by far due for a change I can agree with you on that, but smashing the entire mechanics, and forcing new ones, will and DOES cause HUGES amount of backlash. A Provider should in no way alienate its customers. Thousands of players stay in highsec because that's what they prefer. Tweaking and changing mechanics is one thing, but completely destroying the foundation is another

But Forcing players down a linear path is not a Sandbox. Your proposal would destroy EVE's Core. Turning it into a completely different game altogether. It might as well have a different name.

On top of that, Yeah. The Nullsec blobs brings players in. But Thats not what keeps them. Thats very much the 'end-game of EVE'. I've been in Null fights before, and it's not what keeps me here.

I normally like you what you have to say. But it's a little strange that you go from Stop the Highsec Nerf's" To "**** it Nerf EVERYTHING" Is a little odd.

Allow me to elucidate...

CCP has already nerfed hisec hard re: non-consensual conflict drivers in hisec, its already been done. I fought the good fight to roll nerfs back for years, but there is ZERO appetite to do that -- resulting in driving some content-creators a) from the game (which I considered, including a bio-mass of my main in protest), or b) to losec/nullsec (what I did).

So moving on with life... We know CCP isn't going to roll back hisec agression nerfs. We also see (I believe) EvE on the decline, and a hamstringing-paradox of selling EvE to new players on the basis of nullsec battles on the one hand, then handing them a PVE shovel and asking them to dig ditches in hisec on the other hand. CCP has confirmed we lose atrocious amounts of new players, not converting to permanent subscribers. I escaped the hisec hamster wheel, many players do not.

Then I thought.
Then I pondered.

What if.

What if we made hisec a 100% safeties-on zone *in the context of all the other changes I proposed*, as a means to keep those new players, by matching expectations with EvE reality.

Remove the bait-and-switch.

So not nerf-hisec in a vacuum, but as part of a package intended to retain those new players, by getting them into nullsec sooner, aligning EvE marketing with EvE the reality.

The lightbulb went on.

If we are to *grow* EvE, beyond the stagnant membership numbers after 10+ years, the freak-show of mechanics that is hisec (which I was lovingly part of for years..) must come to an end, as part of an overall strategy to keep newbros engaged, and provide more content to veterans.

We must make hisec tiny, turn off all ISK there, turn off all PVP there, and carrot & stick people into nullsec -- in no small part based on the replacement insurance changes I also proposed.

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Mo this is the most serious and intelligible post I've ever seen you make and one internet like does not do it justice.

The most recent big spike is from a streamer trying out the game and guess what they are all in highsec atm... go figure. He is also far too new and casual to be able to pull off nullsec logistics of settling down 500 players in the middle of bum **** nowhere 50 jumps through hostile space to the nearest hub. I would guess him and his horde would have gone by now if not for the highsec antics inflicted upon them in their first weeks.