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TerminalDogma press release regarding Jamyl Sarum I

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Will Gauss
TerminalDogma
Lucky Starbase Syndicate
#1 - 2015-07-25 21:31:25 UTC
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

Today at a speech in public space, Matshi Raish arrived representing the Society of Conscious Thought in a Gnosis vessel. Jamyl Sarum I was present in public space in an Avatar class titan. Mentor Raish engaged in scanning activities on the Empress' Avatar, an action which is completely lawful. Sarum attempted to order Raish to cease the scan, and Raish cited as justification the right to investigate existential threats to the cluster. The implication is that the Society of Conscious Thought, and by extension the Jove Directorate believes either Jamyl Sarum or her Avatar class titan is an existential threat to the cluster. Sarum, following Raish confirming he was done and would be leaving, chose to order Raish murdered anyway. This lawless behavior indicates Sarum is not as she seems.

Given the benevolence shown by the Directorate in the past, New Eden Research coalition aligns its statements with those of SoCT and the Directorate in considering Jamyl Sarum and anyone who takes her orders an existential threat to the cluster.
Equ1n0x
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#2 - 2015-07-25 21:37:55 UTC
Any uncertainty about the claims ought be discarded after the Empress' reckless actions today.

If anything, her onslaught against a peaceful SoCT inquirer only affirms that an investigation under the ninth codicil is not only warranted but necessary to ensure stability.
Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#3 - 2015-07-25 21:41:00 UTC
With due respect, the Society can only represent itself. We have heard nothing from any representative of the Directorate for some years, and so cannot presume that a non-Jove member of the Society speaks for the Jove.

What's more, at present we do not know if the Elder Mentor Raish was acting independently or on behalf of the Society.

Still, the downing of a Society vessel who had not aggressed the Imperial task force is a cause for serious concern.

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Lucas Raholan
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
#4 - 2015-07-25 22:29:17 UTC
The Actions carried out by the Empress were well within Imperial law, the SOCT committed a prohibited assault on the Empress and was swiftly removed for their transgression, I'm sure if I flew up to President Roden and started trying to mindlink with his ships systems the Black Eagles would promptly blast me out of space as well.

Those who insinuate that The empress is the side of wrong in this as far as I'm concerned is a enemy of the Empire

Shitposts so bad CONCORD gave me a 50 billion ISK bounty

Auris Black
Apotheosis.
#5 - 2015-07-26 00:57:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Auris Black
Lucas Raholan wrote:


Those who insinuate that The empress is the side of wrong in this as far as I'm concerned is a enemy of the Empire


Then bring your ship around loyalist I for one will await the Report from the SoCT. If a threat was found then it is the duty of every member of the cluster to remove it no matter the position or Former importance of that threat. Leaders Can and will be replaced. The Drifters are coming, the wheels of the empires demise are turning, will you be crushed underneath capsuleer?
Saede Riordan
Alexylva Paradox
#6 - 2015-07-26 01:10:37 UTC
So, is it hip to call Jamyl a zombie again? Or are we still ignoring that thing about how she's supposed to be dead so we can claim a 'miracle' happened?
Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2015-07-26 01:52:55 UTC
Lucas Raholan wrote:
the SOCT committed a prohibited assault on the Empress

Scanning is not an assault prohibited by any CONCORD codicil, else any person using a cargo scanner would trigger a DED response. At the time Raish was shot, he had communicated compliance with the holdoff order and was in the process of retreating.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Michael Pawlicki
Mouth Trumpet Cavalry.
Mouth Trumpet Cavalry
#8 - 2015-07-26 01:55:46 UTC
Lucas Raholan wrote:
The Actions carried out by the Empress were well within Imperial law, the SOCT committed a prohibited assault on the Empress and was swiftly removed for their transgression, I'm sure if I flew up to President Roden and started trying to mindlink with his ships systems the Black Eagles would promptly blast me out of space as well.

Those who insinuate that The empress is the side of wrong in this as far as I'm concerned is a enemy of the Empire


Even not being of Amarrian heritage I hold a great deal of respect for Her Highness, but if Methias was invoking the Ninth Codicie, I think that we should be VERY wary of the Empress, for all our sakes. I am incredibly conflicted as I write this. Something is afoot, but the last thing I want to do is make yest another Empire my enemy on accusation alone.
Sinjin Mokk
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#9 - 2015-07-26 02:01:45 UTC
Will Gauss wrote:
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

Today at a speech in public space, Matshi Raish arrived representing the Society of Conscious Thought in a Gnosis vessel. Jamyl Sarum I was present in public space in an Avatar class titan. Mentor Raish engaged in scanning activities on the Empress' Avatar, an action which is completely lawful. Sarum attempted to order Raish to cease the scan, and Raish cited as justification the right to investigate existential threats to the cluster. The implication is that the Society of Conscious Thought, and by extension the Jove Directorate believes either Jamyl Sarum or her Avatar class titan is an existential threat to the cluster. Sarum, following Raish confirming he was done and would be leaving, chose to order Raish murdered anyway. This lawless behavior indicates Sarum is not as she seems.

Given the benevolence shown by the Directorate in the past, New Eden Research coalition aligns its statements with those of SoCT and the Directorate in considering Jamyl Sarum and anyone who takes her orders an existential threat to the cluster.



The Empress of Amarr does not owe you an explanation. Take it up with CONCORD.

"Angels live, they never die, Apart from us, behind the sky. They're fading souls who've turned to ice, So ashen white in paradise."

Arrendis
TK Corp
#10 - 2015-07-26 02:11:17 UTC
Sinjin Mokk wrote:
The Empress of Amarr does not owe you an explanation.


Sure she does. She owes me a cup of coffee, too. That's my going rate for getting blown up at public ceremonies: a cup of coffee and an explanation on why some other guy was executed.

I don't have any illusions that I'll get either, but you know, since I do have a standing fee for this sort of thing, I've sent off a copy of my billing invoice to her.
Lord Kailethre
Tengoo Uninstallation Service
#11 - 2015-07-26 02:39:16 UTC
Arrendis wrote:
Sinjin Mokk wrote:
The Empress of Amarr does not owe you an explanation.


Sure she does. She owes me a cup of coffee, too. That's my going rate for getting blown up at public ceremonies: a cup of coffee and an explanation on why some other guy was executed.

I don't have any illusions that I'll get either, but you know, since I do have a standing fee for this sort of thing, I've sent off a copy of my billing invoice to her.


I'd give you the coffee, but it'd probably synthetic.
And no one likes synthetic coffee.
Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#12 - 2015-07-26 03:13:36 UTC
As long as this doesn't mean that I have to explain myself every time I shoot someone, I'm all for the inquiry.....

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.

Arrendis
TK Corp
#13 - 2015-07-26 03:19:53 UTC
Claudia Osyn wrote:
As long as this doesn't mean that I have to explain myself every time I shoot someone, I'm all for the inquiry.....


I could be negotiated down to just buying me the cuppa.
Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#14 - 2015-07-26 09:36:08 UTC
The SoCT may well claim that a single titan is an existential threat to the cluster, but I think that it's far more likely that they simply consider it an existential threat to them.

Dolce et decorum est pro Imperium mori

Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#15 - 2015-07-26 09:42:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Rivr Luzade
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
Scanning is not an assault prohibited by any CONCORD codicil, else any person using a cargo scanner would trigger a DED response. At the time Raish was shot, he had communicated compliance with the holdoff order and was in the process of retreating.

He used an Entosis Link on her ship, which, by definition, is a module designed to infiltrate, compromise and sabotage systems to gain control over them or the entire object. This is in absolutely no way comparable to traditional scanning modules such as cargo or ship scanners. Any comparison of the EL to these modules is naive.
He had never communicated compliance with the request to cease and desist, nor has he ever shown any sign of moving to the requested distance from the titan. He only stopped linking the ship after he "learned what they wanted to learn". Even after that, he was not retreating, but idling around in relative proximity to the titan and fleet.

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Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#16 - 2015-07-26 10:08:15 UTC
As far as I know, entosis modules do not hold any effect on capsuleer ships.
Borascus
#17 - 2015-07-26 13:59:18 UTC
Saede Riordan wrote:
So, is it hip to call Jamyl a zombie again? Or are we still ignoring that thing about how she's supposed to be dead so we can claim a 'miracle' happened?



For me, the issue is simple; the Amarrians have a rite of passage each Emperor has to take part in, the succession trials.

The fact that Jamyl died is not the stumbling block for me, it's Jamyl's lengthy, and unexplained absence from God's domain that unhinges the miraculous return.

We have seen, time and time again, attempts to modify CONCORD Pilot Licences. Arek'Jaalan's Site One : Antiquus was subject to attempts of criminal damage by pilots flying ships they had not been in possession of a pilot's licence long enough to operate.

I'm also surprised a failure in the succession trials is good enough for the (albeit mighty) Amarr Empire, given their demands for sacred flesh. How can it be that a failure in the succession trials is still considered sacred. Jamyl failed the succession trial. Originally,that was God's will.
Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#18 - 2015-07-26 15:05:17 UTC
Lyn Farel wrote:
As far as I know, entosis modules do not hold any effect on capsuleer ships.


As far as you know...

Dolce et decorum est pro Imperium mori

Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#19 - 2015-07-26 15:06:49 UTC
Borascus wrote:

I'm also surprised a failure in the succession trials is good enough for the (albeit mighty) Amarr Empire, given their demands for sacred flesh. How can it be that a failure in the succession trials is still considered sacred. Jamyl failed the succession trial. Originally,that was God's will.


God is omnipotent. You can't be omnipotent without the ability to change your mind.

Dolce et decorum est pro Imperium mori

Borascus
#20 - 2015-07-26 15:20:29 UTC
Rodj Blake wrote:
Borascus wrote:

I'm also surprised a failure in the succession trials is good enough for the (albeit mighty) Amarr Empire, given their demands for sacred flesh. How can it be that a failure in the succession trials is still considered sacred. Jamyl failed the succession trial. Originally,that was God's will.


God is omnipotent. You can't be omnipotent without the ability to change your mind.


The only reason I put this forward, with the utmost respect to you held within me Rodj Blake, is due to the Amarrian oversight in regards to finding out where The Empress was during those years. 'God: Reloaded' is a hard concept for me to grasp, although your faith is admirable.

Luckily, I have not been left in a state of such uncertainty, allowing me to understand that my time is once only. Should I fail completely in that time it is up to my successors to reform in an effort to stick to the path our forebearers set out for us. I do not have such a weighty burden as leading the Amarr Empire, though.

I wouldn't be expectant of my successors to become God when their choice becomes manifest reality.
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