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New Thera - WORMHOLE JITA

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helana Tsero
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#1 - 2015-07-26 01:25:30 UTC  |  Edited by: helana Tsero
So Thera is basicly boring. Its pretty empty and hard for most wormhole residents to get to. Your lucky if you find Thera in your chain once a week.

Proposal - Turn Thera into a trade hub for wormhole residents. Reduce it to one massive station surounded by wormholes.

How

1. Increase the connections to wormhole space massively. 100 Wormhole connections every day to other wormhole systems. (This would ensure wormhole corps have a reasonable chance of finding a entrance).

2. WH connections (to w space) have unlimited mass and a 24 hour life.

3. Eliminate the K space connections directly to/from Thera

4. No ships but Industrials / freightors/ shuttles / Pods / frigates / DICs allowed into the Thera system. No ancorable bubbles or other bubbles allowed. It is a trade hub thats it. Jump into Thera in a prohibited ship class and the drifters will insta bbq you.

5. DICS cant launch bubbles in Thera (but can in neighbouring w systems)

6.. No PvP or suicide ganking in the system. Drifter system wide jaming is in effect. Connecting w systems are still pvp zones.

7.. Drifter technology controlling the Thera wormholes wont let you back into Thera if you have fired your guns or launched/activated a bubble. 5 min timer.

8. No manufacturing. No scanable sites, gas or combat anoms. Its a trade hub only.

9. No Ancorable bubbles or structures allowed on grid with the wormhole of a connecting W space system. DICTOR and HIC Bubbles are OK.

10. When you leave the Thera system you are shot out of the wormhole 40 km in a random direction.

11. Thera station is seeded with skillbooks. and has blue loot NPC buy orders.

Why

1. Encourage Industry (and more people) into wormholes and create a community in wormhole space. Think of Thera like central hub for Wormhole residents.

2. PvP and ganking opportunities... Smart pvpers will still be able to catch industrials on the approaches to Thera.. If you dont know how... u suck.

Lots of opportunities for baiting with DSTs on the approaches as well. Smart Industrialists with scouts will be able to use the hub with a reasonable degree of safety. (although they can still be caught).

3. Ship restricitions in Thera is to prevent Thera being used as a power projection transit point. You can still move a frigate fleet with frig logi support through Thera. Could make assualt frigates fleets a thing again.

EDIT - saw some flaws. fixed em. Also changed leaving spawn point to 40km from wh.

"...ppl need to get out of caves and they will see something new.... thats where eve is placed... not in cave."  | zoonr-Korsairs |

Meanwhile Citadel release issues: "tried to bug report this and the bug report is bugged as well" | Rafeau |

Omnathious Deninard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2015-07-26 02:01:06 UTC
Quote:
saw some flaws. fixed em

Really? I still see tons of flaws.

If you don't follow the rules, neither will I.

helana Tsero
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#3 - 2015-07-26 02:03:37 UTC
Omnathious Deninard wrote:
Quote:
saw some flaws. fixed em

Really? I still see tons of flaws.


then by all means enlighten me..

"...ppl need to get out of caves and they will see something new.... thats where eve is placed... not in cave."  | zoonr-Korsairs |

Meanwhile Citadel release issues: "tried to bug report this and the bug report is bugged as well" | Rafeau |

Omnathious Deninard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2015-07-26 02:10:42 UTC
helana Tsero wrote:
Omnathious Deninard wrote:
Quote:
saw some flaws. fixed em

Really? I still see tons of flaws.


then by all means enlighten me..

Most everything you have suggested is completely against the design of Thera as well as the intent of Eve.

You want arbitrary restriction placed in this system for you own benefit.

Jita was made a trade hub by the players and not pigeon holed into a trade hub by CCP.

To name a few.

If you don't follow the rules, neither will I.

ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#5 - 2015-07-26 02:13:15 UTC  |  Edited by: ShahFluffers
tldr; "I want an absolutely safe place to trade and market stuff in that exists in its own little microcosm separate from known Space and has tons of connections to other wormholes so transportation is ludicrously easy."


Also going to say no. There never has been, nor should there ever be, a "no PvP" star system.
helana Tsero
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#6 - 2015-07-26 02:13:49 UTC
Omnathious Deninard wrote:
helana Tsero wrote:
Omnathious Deninard wrote:
Quote:
saw some flaws. fixed em

Really? I still see tons of flaws.


then by all means enlighten me..

Most everything you have suggested is completely against the design of Thera as well as the intent of Eve.

You want arbitrary restriction placed in this system for you own benefit.

Jita was made a trade hub by the players and not pigeon holed into a trade hub by CCP.

To name a few.


None of what you just said is a flaw in the design.

Its just you dont like the idea. Which is fine.

"...ppl need to get out of caves and they will see something new.... thats where eve is placed... not in cave."  | zoonr-Korsairs |

Meanwhile Citadel release issues: "tried to bug report this and the bug report is bugged as well" | Rafeau |

Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#7 - 2015-07-26 02:15:06 UTC
So...a wormhole. As in, the most lawless, most dangerous type of space.

Yet you want to it be massively safer than highsec, while allowing for freighters crammed with gear to shuttle back and forth through it, and the total removal of anything resembling a risk when it comes to getting your bloot in and out, while also simultaneously destroying the use of the system as a highway?

What are you on, and can I have some?
helana Tsero
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#8 - 2015-07-26 02:15:35 UTC
ShahFluffers wrote:
tldr; "I want an absolutely safe place to trade and market stuff in that exists in its own little microcosm separate from known Space and has tons of connections to other wormholes so transportation is ludicrously easy."


Also going to say no. There never has been, nor should there ever be, a "no PvP" star system.


If you think its safe then you have no idea how wormhole pvp works. I can think of tons of ways to kill industrials entering and leaving this system.

"...ppl need to get out of caves and they will see something new.... thats where eve is placed... not in cave."  | zoonr-Korsairs |

Meanwhile Citadel release issues: "tried to bug report this and the bug report is bugged as well" | Rafeau |

ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#9 - 2015-07-26 02:15:37 UTC  |  Edited by: ShahFluffers
helana Tsero wrote:

Omnathious Deninard wrote:

Most everything you have suggested is completely against the design of Thera as well as the intent of Eve.

You want arbitrary restriction placed in this system for you own benefit.

Jita was made a trade hub by the players and not pigeon holed into a trade hub by CCP.

To name a few.


None of what you just said is a flaw in the design.

Its just you dont like the idea. Which is fine.

Ummm... the design ITSELF is flawed. It doesn't jive with the ethos of EVE (see: "no place is safe"). This goes doubly so for wormhole systems.

helana Tsero wrote:
If you think its safe then you have no idea how wormhole pvp works. I can think of tons of ways to kill industrials entering and leaving this system.

Jump through wormhole.
Find a PvP gang waiting for you.
Burn back to wormhole.
Jump back through.
None of the attackers can follow you.
Find another wormhole.

Yes... it is too safe.
helana Tsero
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#10 - 2015-07-26 02:17:46 UTC
Danika Princip wrote:
So...a wormhole. As in, the most lawless, most dangerous type of space.

Yet you want to it be massively safer than highsec, while allowing for freighters crammed with gear to shuttle back and forth through it, and the total removal of anything resembling a risk when it comes to getting your bloot in and out, while also simultaneously destroying the use of the system as a highway?

What are you on, and can I have some?


Its not safe.. you just dont know how to do w space.

There is no way a freightor (without support) is going to make it out it in or out against a people who know what they are doing.

"...ppl need to get out of caves and they will see something new.... thats where eve is placed... not in cave."  | zoonr-Korsairs |

Meanwhile Citadel release issues: "tried to bug report this and the bug report is bugged as well" | Rafeau |

Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#11 - 2015-07-26 02:21:06 UTC
helana Tsero wrote:
Danika Princip wrote:
So...a wormhole. As in, the most lawless, most dangerous type of space.

Yet you want to it be massively safer than highsec, while allowing for freighters crammed with gear to shuttle back and forth through it, and the total removal of anything resembling a risk when it comes to getting your bloot in and out, while also simultaneously destroying the use of the system as a highway?

What are you on, and can I have some?


Its not safe.. you just dont know how to do w space.

There is no way a freightor (without support) is going to make it out it in or out against a people who know what they are doing.


Who said anything about doing it without support? You have a couple of guys secure one hole for one minute, and there's no risk at all.

Or you just scout it first.


Explain why this would be good for the game. Explain why wormholes, the most dangerous, lawless type of space, should have an area that is much safer than highsec.
helana Tsero
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#12 - 2015-07-26 02:29:36 UTC  |  Edited by: helana Tsero
ShahFluffers wrote:
helana Tsero wrote:

Omnathious Deninard wrote:

Most everything you have suggested is completely against the design of Thera as well as the intent of Eve.

You want arbitrary restriction placed in this system for you own benefit.

Jita was made a trade hub by the players and not pigeon holed into a trade hub by CCP.

To name a few.


None of what you just said is a flaw in the design.

Its just you dont like the idea. Which is fine.

Ummm... the design ITSELF is flawed. it doesn't jive with the ethos of EVE (no place is safe). This goes doubly so for wormhole systems.

helana Tsero wrote:
If you think its safe then you have no idea how wormhole pvp works. I can think of tons of ways to kill industrials entering and leaving this system.

Jump through wormhole.
Find a PvP gang waiting for you.
Burn back to wormhole.
Jump back through.
None of the attackers can follow you.
Find another wormhole.

Yes... it is too safe.


You in a industrial. You warp to a Thera wormhole from another wormhole. land in sabre bubble. Your not making it 20km to the Thera wormhole.

Jump a Industrial out of Thera and find a gang waiting for you. Your not making 40km it back to Thera wh. (see the wormhole spawn distance in the inital post) 40km is a doable distance for a interceptor to catch before warp off. especially with links.

Goal is. Smart people in Industrials have a good chance of making it. Dumb people will die. Hint... there are alot of dumb people in eve..

"...ppl need to get out of caves and they will see something new.... thats where eve is placed... not in cave."  | zoonr-Korsairs |

Meanwhile Citadel release issues: "tried to bug report this and the bug report is bugged as well" | Rafeau |

ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#13 - 2015-07-26 02:44:11 UTC
helana Tsero wrote:

ShahFluffers wrote:

Jump through wormhole.
Find a PvP gang waiting for you.
Burn back to wormhole.
Jump back through.
None of the attackers can follow you.
Find another wormhole.

Yes... it is too safe.


You in a industrial. You warp to a Thera wormhole from another wormhole. land in sabre bubble. Your not making it 20km to the Thera wormhole.

Jump a Industrial out of Thera and find a gang waiting for you. Your not making 40km it back to Thera wh. (see the wormhole spawn distance in the inital post) 40km is a doable distance for a interceptor to catch before warp off. especially with links.

Goal is. Smart people in Industrials have a good chance of making it. Dumb people will die. Hint... there are alot of dumb people in eve..

Protip: if you are not using Blockade Runners fitted with a cloak, MWD, and have the assistance of a cloaky-probing scout... you are not taking the logistics of wormhole life seriously.


But all that that is beside the point; there should NEVER be a star system in EVE where "no PvP" is allowed. Especially so for a wormhole system.
It goes against the principles of EVE. Hell... it makes the place safer than high-sec or even heavily fortified null-sec systems.
helana Tsero
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#14 - 2015-07-26 03:06:04 UTC  |  Edited by: helana Tsero
ShahFluffers wrote:
helana Tsero wrote:

ShahFluffers wrote:

Jump through wormhole.
Find a PvP gang waiting for you.
Burn back to wormhole.
Jump back through.
None of the attackers can follow you.
Find another wormhole.

Yes... it is too safe.


You in a industrial. You warp to a Thera wormhole from another wormhole. land in sabre bubble. Your not making it 20km to the Thera wormhole.

Jump a Industrial out of Thera and find a gang waiting for you. Your not making 40km it back to Thera wh. (see the wormhole spawn distance in the inital post) 40km is a doable distance for a interceptor to catch before warp off. especially with links.

Goal is. Smart people in Industrials have a good chance of making it. Dumb people will die. Hint... there are alot of dumb people in eve..

Protip: if you are not using Blockade Runners fitted with a cloak, MWD, and have the assistance of a cloaky-probing scout... you are not taking the logistics of wormhole life seriously.


But all that that is beside the point; there should NEVER be a star system in EVE where "no PvP" is allowed. Especially so for a wormhole system.
It goes against the principles of EVE. Hell... it makes the place safer than high-sec or even heavily fortified null-sec systems.


Protip - Blockade runners are 95% of the time safe in current wh systems. This idea doesnt make them any safer or less safe.

What it does do is create a funnel point for industrials in wormhole space. So they get to sell their loot and pvpers have an opportuntity to interdict. again... this is w space its not low sec or null sec.. Different hunting techniques apply..

in wh pvp you cloak up and watch people at their POSs... see them switch to an orca and you know Thera is two whs away. Good chance that is where they are gonig..

So you set up a cloaky trap on the WH... (not the Thera wh... the preceding wh...) Its not that hard...

This idea funnels people into a area... lol it actualy makes wh ganking easier... You guys have just never done it before so your criticisms are based on ignorance.

"...ppl need to get out of caves and they will see something new.... thats where eve is placed... not in cave."  | zoonr-Korsairs |

Meanwhile Citadel release issues: "tried to bug report this and the bug report is bugged as well" | Rafeau |

Rawketsled
Generic Corp Name
#15 - 2015-07-26 11:39:08 UTC
4/10 troll.

Made me smirk.
Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#16 - 2015-07-26 11:58:38 UTC
So its too much work for you to get supplies from jita and thera, so you propose more frequent connections to a new system that is even safer than hi-sec?

No.

EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided"

Daichi Yamato's version of structure based decs

Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
#17 - 2015-07-26 12:49:24 UTC
Came and read the OP.
Had some thoughts but they have all been covered so a simple NO will have to do.
Rayzilla Zaraki
Yin Jian Enterprises
#18 - 2015-07-26 13:12:16 UTC
Checked calendar. Not April 1st.

/trollthread

Gate campers are just Carebears with anger issues.

FireFrenzy
Cynosural Samurai
#19 - 2015-07-26 15:33:01 UTC
This is just about the single most ******** idea i have ever have the dubious pleasure of being exposed to...

we do NOT need a way to move entire coalition level fleets through wormholes via a convenient midpoint... Thats what living in K-space is for,,,

Can you provide me with the intel on who your main is since its quite clear you have never actually wormholed...
Atomeon
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2015-07-26 22:26:01 UTC
You go to thera to buy a new ship, sorry you cant fly it. Now i m thinking of it whith what ship you will go to? Its a trade hub you said.
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