Ships & Modules

I am addressing here and want your opinion on ship obsolete useless bonus


7.5% projectile rof.



Nobody use this ship as gun platform and for very simple reasons


It cant fit 1400mm howitzers

it cant fit 1200mm howitzers

lol dps even if you manage to fit them no ALPHA due to lack of any dmg bonus,all horrible arty drawback still present but 0 gain

AC dmg output under 500DPS up to 3km

Cruises dmg output over 500DPS up to to 140km


This ship have obsolete/redundant bonus my proposal is to remove it completely in favor of

....was drone bonus..bad idea too OP throw ideas around...

Or alternately build your own fleet typhoon what would you put in place of projectile rof?

A: dont pull numbers out of your ass. ACs will pull 700dps with 2 T2 gyros.
B: we dont need more droneboats. If you want sentries, get a dominix
C: yes, ACs are underpowered, but thats the weapon systems fault, not the phoon fleets
D: It doesnt need arties, as you implicate in your post, its mainly a misssile boat, and its quite good at that. Its probably the best RHML platform out there.

I do agree that the bonus is rather redundant. In a case like this, people will allways choose the weapon system that performs best on the hull, in this case, missiles.
I would be very carefull though, on what you would change the bonus to. I allready performs quite well on a single bonus. I rather see a utility bonus on there (warpspeed, agility, targeting range, cap recharge?)

Fleet phoon is just fine, it easily runs 900-1k dps rapid heavies, don't need to put drone bonuses next to that.

More constructive comments please don't call me a liar just because you used 2 dmg mod to cook the numbers to have a talking back point.



"we"? please explain,further more it will be no more drone boat that is not already it will just be better at it.other drone boats in class are armagedon and dominix....hardly a crowded place don't you agree?

Can you explain reasoning behind "get a dominix" is it stated somewhere by CCP it should be only drone platform(it already isnt)?



This is true and this is not thread about AC and it doesn't change how useless this bonus is on this hull.



I didnt implicated anything i used numbers to show it cant fit any long range gun that it have bonuses to so needing it or not it cant do it.all other Minmatar battleships can not because they are build to be Artillery boats but because they are build right.

Il just remind you that ship have two identical bonuses and yet is missile boat and it serves as excuse for it to be bad at it second bonus?



Wait you do?

Take your pick it is thread for removing useless bonus with another one warpspeed is angel thing agility target range and cap recharges can be built in hull and are not very good way to replace ship bonus imo.

Hes not calling you a liar, hes calling you an idiot. Maelstrom also provides 500 DPS with no damage mods, so on the subject of ass numbers - where exactly are yours coming from?


There is a massive list of efficient drone boats out there - see CCP fozzies list of the top damage dealing ships in their classes. Every one is a drone boat. We dont need more drone boats, just use the OP ones already there.



So because you cant see a use for the bonus means the bonus is useless? Y'all evidently aint familiar with the 13-1400 DPS the phoon fleet is currently capable of.



You didnt actually use any numbers, you just said 'it cant do this'. You are right, it does have minor fitting issues for artillery - but many ships do, artillery aren't the easiest things to fit.


I wouldnt say 1400 DPS was bad.


All in all I rate your troll thread as a 3/10

Typhoon is not just a battle ship, it's a MINMATAR battle ship.
Minmatar is not a drone based race on any level of the game. You have other races that specialize in drones, Fly one of those if you want drones.
Minmatar already has an Arty BS platform. The Typhoon is best flown up close and personal. Speed and utility slots. Armor tank or shield tank, versatility is what makes it a great ship. Pretty sure I get 1200 + DPS from a basic fit Torp Typhoon.
It's a BS that can launch 5 large drones. That does not make it a drone boat. Same for a Navy Mega or a Navy Geddon.

Also:
How can you argue about DPS application, and act like damage modules shouldn't be mounted?

I mean, if you're trying to trick your little sister or something, then carry on. But most people who fly battle ships in EVE are going to be veteran players and grown men. Don't try to bull$hit them with tricks of numbers.
You might have a valid point about the bonus. Tricks will water down your argument until it's worthless.

Nobody fits a ship for base damage. Even a drone boat will have ****** base damage if you fit the wrong drones and no damage mods. You fit a ship to take advantage of its best strengths, or you fly a ship that has particular roles and useage.

Your post wasn't just about the ROF bonus, it suggested a drone bonus too.
The Torp comment is relative, because people fit Typhoons with missiles and torps. If you gave it any other bonus it could become overpowered, unless you changed the whole ship. I for 1, don't try to fly the Phoon as drone platform, and I never want to.

I am commenting like a normal person.

yea with 4 launchers and 4 nos, and nanoed out the wazoo! Nanos got nerfed, nos got nerfed, don't think anyone flew a phoon for years. maybe some people did but they would have been better off flying just about anything else.

Op, there are many BS hulls to choose from. Another drone boat is not needed. And in PVE, Arties are for scrubs anyhow.

i trust you can provide killboard link that shows 1200mm pvp setup works so i can drop this matter all together i would appreciate that.



can you please link killboard (or similar sourse) so i can see this ship pvp fit that have kills under it belt more than once in a blue moon so i can drop this matter all together i trust you know what you speak off?

i am especially interested in dmg at 75km.



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