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Trevor Dalech

Nobody in Local

Of Sound Mind

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#81 - 2015-07-25 06:27:01 UTC

Demerius Xenocratus wrote:

I don't know about optimal range scripted TD's vs sentries but TD's can definitely be used to kill drone tracking speed; using a dual TD fit against a Gecko strat or gila is a tactic that had been thrown around. I am not sure if anyone has used it succssfully, an after action report from such a case would be enlightening.

I have flown a single TD gecko stratios against a nearly equivalently fit (he had a relic analyzer instead of a TD) gecko stratios. I disrupted one of his geckos which resulted in a mild dps loss, enough for me to win the fight. The disrupted gecko was still hitting me, although with slightly more glancing blows than the undisruptd gecko. As such, I wouldn't call TD an easy win tactic (not like tracking disrupting a gun boat) but it does help.

Zimmy Zeta

Perkone

Caldari State

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#82 - 2015-07-25 06:58:23 UTC

Not sure if they are really OP, but I find drone boats incredibly lame and unfun.
Automatically applied damage in a game that is usually all about tracking, movement and range control?
Come on, gotta be kidding me, that's pvp-bot-aspirancy, no self respecting capsuleer should do that.

I'd like to apologize for the poor quality of the post above and sincerely hope you didn't waste your time reading it. Yes, I do feel bad about it.

Aplysia Vejun

Children of Agasul

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#83 - 2015-07-25 08:00:36 UTC

Zimmy Zeta wrote:

I lost an ishtar yesterday to a hotdrop. Didn't expect a proteus to be a cyno. My fault and incredibly lame
No self respecting capsuleer should do that.
But this is eve. What one calls stupid and lame, is fun, challenging and exciting for the other

FaDoyToy 3,263
Chainsaw Plankton FaDoyToy Likes received: 3,263	#84 - 2015-07-25 08:51:22 UTC Daniela Doran wrote: A Passive tanked Gila should be able to perma tank a 500 dps Phantasm. then it probably isn't a pvp gila and isn't really all that much of a threat. @ChainsawPlankto on twitter

Moac Tor

Cyber Core

Immediate Destruction

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#85 - 2015-07-25 12:43:02 UTC | Edited by: Moac Tor

Roxanne Dallas wrote:

Moac Tor wrote:

Here is the actual results of the maths (I have it worked out including resists); a ship doing 500dps (fully applied against an Ogre II fielded by an Ishtar against the Ogre's weakest resist which are explosive or thermal) will take 7.2 seconds to kill. Multiply that by 11 drones and you get 79.2 seconds, or 1 minute 19.2 seconds before you start to hurt the Ishtars DPS.

Bear in mind that it is highly unlikely you will be applying your maximum dps as the drone user will be managing his drones and your guns or missiles will have a hard time applying their full dps to a small target.

Against sentries your looking at 15.4 seconds in the same scenario, and so 169.4 seconds in total before hurting its dps (although it is much easier to apply your damage against sentries)

And if you were to apply damage to an armor Ishtar it would take you 95 seconds... much shorter for a Shield one for obvious reasons, damn them taking away that mid slot. Maybe you should have done the same calculation for the actual boat your aruging I shouldn't destroy first...

Look this may look like a noob character but my main is a 2006 character I know what I'm doing.

You seem confused, you should probably have a lie down.

The gist of my post was that those numbers tell you all you need to know, for anyone with actual experience will know, taking 79.2 seconds (best case scenario) to cut the Ishtar's drone DPS by 1/5 (108 seconds to take it down fully), in that length of time you will have been blown to pieces by the dps from the drones unless your flying a supertanked ship which doesn't rely on capacitor and can win a neuting battle with an ishtar which has a full rack of free high slots.

There are edge cases where going for the drones are viable, but it isn't the magic bullet that some people seem to think. Personally I think DDAs will eventually be nerfed closer to 15 % before we begin to see the drone dominance losing it's grip on the current meta.

Demerius Xenocratus

The Scope

Gallente Federation

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#86 - 2015-07-25 15:51:37 UTC

Chainsaw Plankton wrote:

I wrote some stuff, then the forums ate my post, and rather than click the draft button there is a tiny x that seems to forever delete it

so the tl;dr Gurista drone boats, maybe need a nerf, but probably not much, t1 probably not, t2 mostly not, ishtar seems to keep getting nerfed so clearly CCP is looking at it.

ps: 5 man gang with 3 recons is still Sad

The Guristas boats are really good but then again so are the other pirate ships at their intended niche. I'd rather them be a bit OP than simply be useless which was sortof the case before. Worms and Gilas were almost never used.

I'd say their price reflects their utility. A Gila with T2 rigs is over 350M, that's almost equivalent to T3 prices.

Demerius Xenocratus

The Scope

Gallente Federation

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#87 - 2015-07-25 15:53:58 UTC

Trevor Dalech wrote:

Demerius Xenocratus wrote:

Bringing a dual TD fit on a hull with TD bonuses like a sentinel or arbitrator might be a different story.

M and M Enterpises 78
Yossarian Toralen M and M Enterpises Likes received: 78	#88 - 2015-07-26 00:33:34 UTC If you removed nuets, jams, sensor damping and TD you could rely on turrets and launchers a lot more, thus lowering the amount of drone damage applied in PVP. Problem solved.