Ships & Modules

The naga has literally the best damage projection in the game. It can spit out 400 DPS out to 250km, a claim that can only be reasonably matched by the cruise raven (which is not a viable setup). It has a niche role, something it can do that no other ship can (the rokh does not get a damage bonus, so has nowhere near the damage projection of the naga)


It is also worth noting:
The highest tier caldari frigate, the merlin, is a rail boat.
The highest tier destroyer (only tier, but still..) is a rail boat.
The highest tier cruiser, the moa, is a rail boat.
The highest tier battleship, the rokh, is a rail boat.

It is therefore reasonable to say that the highest tier caldari BC should be......
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a railboat!

QFT. Another thing about the naga is that in the 80-120km range bracket (In our experience the best bracket to use these things in ) it has the best sustained DPS while either having the best tank or the most ewar slots. Tornado may be the alpha king but I certainly wouldnt turn my nose up at the naga either.

maybe it would have been nice to have some variation in weapons but until they unsuck cruise missiles it just isnt worth wasting the hull on them.

The Naga is awesome with rails. Giving it torps would be a huge nerf

Split weapon ships cause rage and make people kill kittens.

Just say no to them. Including Merlin.

Point taken but we've been running tier 3 sniper gangs in the 15 to 30 man range pretty much since the ships came out and havent noticed any sizable issues with the speed of the naga, are you sure your not underetestimating the figures a little bit?

Anyway I'll ask some of our Naga pilots and FCs and see if they have anything to add.

Hm, both yes and no
- as always when it comes to valuing or waging commentary in a game like EVE, things tend to be relative.

Much, how much? I gave the best examples i could think of at the time, timeless, in regard to speed and relativity.

It's difficult responding to the question, and i should be honest and admit that the only reason i am attempting at all, is that your comment itself got me interested enough to oogle through your corporate KB for the december stats. I figured your corp may do something interesting that go against the trends i spoke of. As i spent 15mins flipping pages i figured i might as well have the courtesy put down a response, with half the effort done.

Also, please understand, i'm commenting without throwing any aspirations on your corp or what you do, that individual choice need to be factored in (primaries; situational, trend, tendence) and that i'm aware of how KB's can be misrepresentative (you may do so well in a fight that it presents stats without losses that reminisce of a mere gank, or that disengagement from either side may report much smaller figures than what was actually on the field - both issues extra troublesome with a highly defensible strategy as mobile sniping - but much of those issues reflect back at the same time so it's not unfair to take them into account either; as long as you are aware of them).

Throughout december 2011 you had three separate engagements that met the criteria (26th, 19th and 14th), two without any Nagas and one with a single Naga who died. You also had two fairly evensided engagements that featured Nagas (7th and 8th), in one you took no losses and in the other you lost four ships, losing two out of three Nagas and two out of three Oracles. It should also be noted that in all those fights you had an abundance of Tornados with better kp-eff spreads.

With the conditions above in account, your own statistics reflect my comments quite well.

If you want to follow it up, just keep looking at ship performance as odds stack against you. Virtually all of those fights played out in situations of regional, objective, comp-matched or numerical limitation (lowsec, poco-setting, mixmatched/slow, 1:1-1:2). Like i said earlier, i'm not throwing a shadow over your corp, if anything, you look like a pretty active and positive bunch, but there are tougher challenges out there as well if you really want to pressure the performance of the Naga for evaluation - the examples were good, but there are better still.

The concept remain a highly defensible one, originally used for fighting undermanned (in trend, subverted).

You (or the Naga) are comparatively being held to a high standard of expectation. The same as the Tornado.

It should never be forgotten that this is an incredibly powerful class of ships - based on a concept that was once seen as competetive among quality groups while having half the damage output and costing ten times as much. That's the standard.

Thats fair enough, You can also check out this video and its succesors if you want to see a few more fights we've had with them, although it may cover engagements youve checked already.

I can relate to the op's opinion, but after testing the Naga on sisi for a few weeks now I tend to love the hybrid turrets more then missiles.
I tried out different approaches in fitting for shield tanking and went to do some missions with her.
Thing is I learned so far that going for a large buffer tank is not as good as for active tanking in matter of capacitor. What I figured so is that propelling in range with an afterburner so all the incoming damage can no longer be seen as a threat is awesome.
It is certainly not the next level wtfpwnboat but it gets really really close to that.
The tracking of railguns at close range on the other hand is so terrible that any close encounter will end up in and insurance payout and the leftovers of the Naga hull.
For about 5 years I did level 3, 4's and some level 5 with missiles of all sizes and still am very angry about that missile tracking junk that hit the live server ages ago but thats all for anither threat another day-
I also could get some nice input from my testruns from faction ammo and the caldari navy faction rails.
Thing is, these monster guns will alpha volleys that will just blow you mind away at ranges that would have been impossible for any missile boat I flew and fly today.
A Naga will also use much less ammo than any missile boat I know because the damage is applied instantly and the volley damage is - compared to any missiles - wftpwn.
Since the announcement of the railgun patch (not fix) I started to take a closer and deeper look at hybrids and I have to say that they impress me alot.

But there is also some concern about that ship because it outperformes the Rohk in a big way and even does moar damage than the tier 3 battleship with the same guns and ammo while being able to simply outrun incoming damage and being active shield tanked.

(Outperformed in pve situations)

I can imagine the Nage to a cool pvp ship at long ranges but I cannot quote from experience here because on the test server you will got shot down by either the next machariel in one shot or the other capital boat that have much higher tracking than any other ships in EVE.
My advice is to train for hybrid turrets and their support skills. Try the moa on you first walks with hybrids and see for yourself.

If you are wondering, I did Enemies Abound 5/5 in the Naga without having to warp out once. Try that in a Raven ;)

I laughed so hard I dropped my tea onto my keyboard. You owe me a keyboard.

Torp Naga would have been fun, Rail Naga is simply awesome.

Yeap. 125M^3 drone bay, 20% dmg to ECM and repair drones / 5% additional shield HP per level, 8 mining turrets,.....and a 5% missile damage bonus per level