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Vol Arm'OOO
Central Co-Prosperity Union
#21 - 2015-07-24 13:31:00 UTC
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
DaReaper wrote:
... 3) Sov phase 3. Phase 3 is suppose to be the big null sec buff. I disagree that anom buff we just got was that. And i feel a bigger one is on the way. But we will see. ...
Phase 3 isn't actually happening. Nothing like Phase 1 & 2. There will be a few "tweaks" and they are adding more Null Sec anomolies. That is it.
After that they move onto structures and I think that is being handled by another team.


Phase 3 cant work without making travel significantly more difficult or significantly nerfing empire. If CCP just buffs null by increasing anoms, sigs, amount of valuable ore, etc. . ., market prices will decrease across the board because of the increased supply of items. CCP could nerf empire, but that is where most of its players live. CCP has been singularly unsuccessfully in convincing empire folk to abandon empire for null and it is therefore probably not willing to hit empire hard enough for fear of angering the majority of its players. OFC CCP could also make travel substantially more difficult - that way folk would not be competing against an entire universe but only specific regions where they would live and sell their goods - which is what CCP originally wanted to do with jump fat, until it caved and allowed jf's and other logi ships to not be as severally effected by jump fat. Of course the problem with travel nerfs is that it significantly hurts pvp. Travel back and forth from null is a major combat driver, especially in lowsec. If travel is nerfed because folk dont need or want to leave their little island, opportunities for pvp are going to decrease significantly.

I don't play, I just fourm warrior.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#22 - 2015-07-24 14:01:37 UTC
I'm not optimistic about EVE (or anything). I realistic about it.

The reality is the EVE is fine and will be fine for a long time unless CCP muffs it up either in some attempt to "broaden" it's appeal to people who wouldn't like it no matter what you do (like Incarna) or tries too hard to "monetize" it again (monoclegate). The other reality is that even if EVE isn'T fine, at the end of the day it's just a video game (no matter how epic and time consuming it is) and if it 'goes away' well it was a damn fine ride while it lasted.

In other words, we've seen that they only thing that can really kill EVE is CCP itself, it's survived every other thing/new game that came about. I still "lol to myself" when I Google the words "Black Prophecy is going to kill EVE" Big smile


While I'm not 'optimistic' I prefer the optimistic types (as long as they are grounded in reality) way more than i do the "EVE is Dying" pessimistic types. They fall into 2 categorizes.

1. The folks who like EVE and are experiencing anxiety at the idea that something they 'invested so much into' might end. These are the "Doomsday dudes", not unlike the homeless guy holding the sign on the corner about impending doom.

2. The folks who don't really like EVE and think "it could be so much better if". EVE doesn't give them something they fundamentally need, but rather than stop paying for a product that doesn't do it for them on some level, they lobby intensely for changes to the game , to make it into something they think they would like. They are like vultures, waiting for any sign of weakness in the game (like lower average PCU counts) to be able to squawk "SEE! now you must make the changes i suggest in order to save the game, it's mere coincidence that the necessary changes are things I've wanted for my own personal enjoyment for years!!" They are in no way different from real life politicians who wait for any seemingly bad event to happen then use that event as a wedge to get elected lol.

The 1st type is just fearful, the 2nd type is stupid lol.
Jenshae Chiroptera
#23 - 2015-07-24 14:21:10 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
I'm not optimistic about EVE (or anything). I realistic about it.
TL;DR - You are all stupid. I am smart..
Fixed.
(That should probably be at the end of most of your posts).

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#24 - 2015-07-24 14:29:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenn aSide
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
I'm not optimistic about EVE (or anything). I realistic about it.
TL;DR - You are all stupid. I am smart..
Fixed.
(That should probably be at the end of most of your posts).


Ah look, it's one of the guys I was thinking of in example #2 Twisted

A picture of Jenshae Chiroptera and a good friend of his that explains the above post.
 And Probably his run for the CSM as well.
Jenshae Chiroptera
#25 - 2015-07-24 14:47:10 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Blah
Not a bad attempt - for you.Lol

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.
DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#26 - 2015-07-24 15:44:15 UTC
Thorlund Amatin wrote:
So in summary, you fight off bitter vet by hoping things will be better one day?

Hope is the worst of all evils, because it prolongs the torments of man - Gandalf.



Naw, i see enough things going in a direction that i like and think will lead to something good that i have no issues following the path ccp is blazing. Kinda like, your current company you work for was burning you out, then you get a new boss who tells you about the new company direction. you see some of the changes the company is making and go 'well this could be good' so it gives you a burst to stay longer. Thats pretty much it.

Not like i'd ever quit eve anyway, but it helps if i WANT to follow the path as opposed to dragging my feet.

OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!

Eve For life.
DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#27 - 2015-07-24 15:45:11 UTC
Webvan wrote:
Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:
I do not agree with the OP

Maybe he prefers blondes? I find brunette's agreeable, but only really readheads in a pinch.
But maybe he'll warm up to you, in time, don't lose heart.

#Thread topic changed to: Singles Mingles



Dark haired women are my choice. Others can has the blondes. Its why i call eve the sexy, yet a bit crazy, red head in a sea of blondes.

OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!

Eve For life.
DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#28 - 2015-07-24 15:46:34 UTC
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
DaReaper wrote:
... 3) Sov phase 3. Phase 3 is suppose to be the big null sec buff. I disagree that anom buff we just got was that. And i feel a bigger one is on the way. But we will see. ...
Phase 3 isn't actually happening. Nothing like Phase 1 & 2. There will be a few "tweaks" and they are adding more Null Sec anomolies. That is it.
After that they move onto structures and I think that is being handled by another team.



I'll disagree with you. But i am more then willing to take a you could be right and we will see stance.

OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!

Eve For life.
DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#29 - 2015-07-24 15:50:50 UTC  |  Edited by: DaReaper
Sexy Cakes wrote:
TLDR

Ignorance is bliss...

... is why are you still optimistic about EVE.



Except one can not be ignorant if one has the same information that others have. Its a matter of perspective and looking at information with experience and other factors. Ignorance would be if you knew the **** was gonna hit the fan, like ccp is announcing in a month they are going under. Then yes i would be ignorance. I'm well aware that changes may not right the ship, and that changes could be horrible (cap redo could be a disaster) I just happen to be on the side of, this stuff is needed and i'l waiting for the big picture to be more complete before i doom and gloom about a single spot of color i dislike.

11 years has told me ccp is HORRIBLE at tweeking and reiterating on stuff. The past few years have told me that ccp can change. So i'm giving them a chance to change. and as i have stated since i am here till the lights go out anyway.. i cna either be grumpy about it, or chose to see what happens. Don't get me wrong, some changes i disagree with, like he neocom changes, i still get confused by the icons, and the placement of the undock button took my about a year to stop clicking the clock to undock (damn muscle memory) but, i see a lot of good coming, so i'm deciding to watch that and see what will happen.

OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!

Eve For life.
Jenshae Chiroptera
#30 - 2015-07-24 16:00:21 UTC
DaReaper wrote:
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
DaReaper wrote:
... 3) Sov phase 3. Phase 3 is suppose to be the big null sec buff. I disagree that anom buff we just got was that. And i feel a bigger one is on the way. But we will see. ...
Phase 3 isn't actually happening. Nothing like Phase 1 & 2. There will be a few "tweaks" and they are adding more Null Sec anomolies. That is it.
After that they move onto structures and I think that is being handled by another team.
I'll disagree with you. But i am more then willing to take a you could be right and we will see stance.
Ask your local CSM member.
Notice the lack of Dev blogs about what is coming?

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.
DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#31 - 2015-07-24 16:02:37 UTC
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
DaReaper wrote:
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
DaReaper wrote:
... 3) Sov phase 3. Phase 3 is suppose to be the big null sec buff. I disagree that anom buff we just got was that. And i feel a bigger one is on the way. But we will see. ...
Phase 3 isn't actually happening. Nothing like Phase 1 & 2. There will be a few "tweaks" and they are adding more Null Sec anomolies. That is it.
After that they move onto structures and I think that is being handled by another team.
I'll disagree with you. But i am more then willing to take a you could be right and we will see stance.
Ask your local CSM member.
Notice the lack of Dev blogs about what is coming?



the csm i have heard talk say they are happy with stuff coming. lack of dev blogs is not a bother to me, as we still have a few weeks, and i'm guessing the next release will be light anyway.

OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!

Eve For life.
Major Triscuits
Doomheim
#32 - 2015-07-24 19:31:48 UTC
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
DaReaper wrote:
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
DaReaper wrote:
... 3) Sov phase 3. Phase 3 is suppose to be the big null sec buff. I disagree that anom buff we just got was that. And i feel a bigger one is on the way. But we will see. ...
Phase 3 isn't actually happening. Nothing like Phase 1 & 2. There will be a few "tweaks" and they are adding more Null Sec anomolies. That is it.
After that they move onto structures and I think that is being handled by another team.
I'll disagree with you. But i am more then willing to take a you could be right and we will see stance.
Ask your local CSM member.
Notice the lack of Dev blogs about what is coming?


Oh no, lack of dev blogs!

BURN THE COUNTRY! THE SKY IS FALLING!
Webvan
All Kill No Skill
#33 - 2015-07-24 19:51:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Webvan
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Notice the lack of Dev blogs about what is coming?

They're hiding.



Generally optimistic, but I have seen other internet spaceship games totally crash and burn... like not even exist any longer due to developer error, total loss based on risky miscalculations.

My only concerns are:
1. CCP going totally stealth.
2. Overdesire to reach for players they don't even have, making EVE play stupid for it.

Hasn't fully gone that way, and not saying it will, but some concerns that that is the drift, as factors that you find in the wreckage of the previous internet spaceship games no longer around.

EVE will always have problems, no biggy, nor is EVE Dying™, but here's to hoping they hold the established course set a couple years ago which has improved EVE for the most part.

I'm in it for the money

Ctrl+Alt+Shift+F12
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#34 - 2015-07-24 19:52:42 UTC
You're only bitter if you succumb to the sunk cost fallacy. Your characters and accounts don't qualify as sunk costs because you don't pay to get something in the future, you pay to get something right now, and then it's done. It's like buying a ticket to watch a movie last week.

This is very nuanced, though, and if you're in an emotional state, I doubt you'll understand. I questioned whether I should bother to make this post.

Help, I can't download EVE

President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub

PLEX: A Giffen good? (It's 1B?)
DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#35 - 2015-07-24 19:59:40 UTC
Rain6637 wrote:
You're only bitter if you succumb to the sunk cost fallacy. Your characters and accounts don't qualify as sunk costs because you don't pay to get something in the future, you pay to get something right now, and then it's done. It's like buying a ticket to watch a movie last week.

This is very nuanced, though, and if you're in an emotional state, I doubt you'll understand. I questioned whether I should bother to make this post.


true

OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!

Eve For life.
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#36 - 2015-07-24 20:11:15 UTC
It comes down to a simple question of whether you want to see this movie sometime this month. The cost of a movie ticket and a month's subscription are the same.

Help, I can't download EVE

President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub

PLEX: A Giffen good? (It's 1B?)
Rayne Soomer Evingod
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#37 - 2015-07-24 20:29:37 UTC
Movies suck

Play Eve
DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#38 - 2015-07-24 21:37:26 UTC
A thread i replied to on reddit reminded me. While i'm optimistic on CCP/EVE's future, i am not so blind or dumb as to ignore her past mistakes. Choosing to give a game developer another chance to follow through on there work, doesn't mean i won;t hold them to the fire when they start forgetting (trust me, i fully intend to bug you all about comet mining again at eve vegas.. and again at fan fest 2016...)

My point is, they SEEM to be changing things around, but there is alot of left things that were never worked on again, which is why the new cycle is good, it means they can work on things... now don;t **** it up =P

OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!

Eve For life.
Kestral Anneto
State War Academy
Caldari State
#39 - 2015-07-24 22:02:26 UTC
OP, seriously, pull your head out of CCP's arse for a second and look around.
They have put Faction Warefare plex's in Nullsec Sov.
They have added a bloody Magic Sov Wand, wave it and the station becomes yours.
Space aids, i mean, getting tired from pushing a button? seriously, why not just a simple cooldown timer? its not like your getting out of your pod to run the distance, is it?
Cruisers online, enough said.
CCP have created an amazing game, however i do think that they have to be careful of their hubris.
Aaron
Eternal Frontier
#40 - 2015-07-24 22:03:33 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
I'm not optimistic about EVE (or anything). I realistic about it.

The reality is the EVE is fine and will be fine for a long time unless CCP muffs it up either in some attempt to "broaden" it's appeal to people who wouldn't like it no matter what you do (like Incarna) or tries too hard to "monetize" it again (monoclegate). The other reality is that even if EVE isn'T fine, at the end of the day it's just a video game (no matter how epic and time consuming it is) and if it 'goes away' well it was a damn fine ride while it lasted.

In other words, we've seen that they only thing that can really kill EVE is CCP itself, it's survived every other thing/new game that came about. I still "lol to myself" when I Google the words "Black Prophecy is going to kill EVE" Big smile


While I'm not 'optimistic' I prefer the optimistic types (as long as they are grounded in reality) way more than i do the "EVE is Dying" pessimistic types. They fall into 2 categorizes.

1. The folks who like EVE and are experiencing anxiety at the idea that something they 'invested so much into' might end. These are the "Doomsday dudes", not unlike the homeless guy holding the sign on the corner about impending doom.

2. The folks who don't really like EVE and think "it could be so much better if". EVE doesn't give them something they fundamentally need, but rather than stop paying for a product that doesn't do it for them on some level, they lobby intensely for changes to the game , to make it into something they think they would like. They are like vultures, waiting for any sign of weakness in the game (like lower average PCU counts) to be able to squawk "SEE! now you must make the changes i suggest in order to save the game, it's mere coincidence that the necessary changes are things I've wanted for my own personal enjoyment for years!!" They are in no way different from real life politicians who wait for any seemingly bad event to happen then use that event as a wedge to get elected lol.

The 1st type is just fearful, the 2nd type is stupid lol.


You made some good points.

Fear no one, live life, be free, accept the truth, do not judge others, defend yourself, fight hard till the end, meditate on problems and be prosperous. Things to exist by. -- RAIN Arthie
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