Player Features and Ideas Discussion

- Turn learning implants into skill removal or remap implants.
- The range from +1 to +5 equal skill levels trained.
- Multiple implants to offset skill rank.
- Consumed upon use.

Suppress learning implants and all attributes will never grants more players in with us.
if they greed about it it's only to play game like veteran conoisseur and fill their lazyness.

not sorry to badmouthing them, they want to play like expert to fullfill some egomanic behaviour.

I don't need to play with mental ********. Eve Online not mean to become wallmart.

I played inside many game.
Always then a game maker like decided to comply with tearfighters about harshness of the life ingame I watched a leak of players near after.

If you want to make feel some newbies easier and comfy and convey heroism. Improve with fact and act why this game must be hard rash and rug.
Destroy twice the null supremacies and all 4 Empire. MAkes them travellers and pioneers again each day

Best games are those where each can replay without feel old or sclerotics. And when each newstart is a new dawn.

Ask for once and for all:
Where begin to rot a spoiled child?

an alternative way of distributing the 1-2 mil SP to new players is by giving this power to corporations. if corporations actively seek to host training events and training programs and tournaments for rookies then both parties can profit from this event. rookies get SP boosts in the right direction (depending on what type of program the corporation is hosting), the corporations get a steady supply of new recruits. and best of all no unnecessary SP needs to be given out, only the rookie decides what SP boost he wants by choosing a training program that is being offered.

hmm not sure yet, but the best would be if corporations could invite the rookies in-space, perhaps some new beacon rookies can intuitively warp to

1. definitly

2. Yes, and reward them with unallocated SP after finnishing a career, this option should be a one time reward deal and i see no reason to exclude existing players being bittervet or not

3. I think a few of the most essential fitting skills and a bit in armor and shield would improve early gameplay

4. just remove all learning implants and up all attributes by 5 this wil help all players but new players more as they are learning just as fast as the bitter vets without buying expensive implants which they first need to trrain a skill for.

just to further develop the beacon idea.. one alternative is the beacons can be captured by corporations, they get access to the ships and resources that come with the beacon. it could even be a mysterious jovian tech, corporations only capture and manage these structure complexes for their own profit.

also tournament events held in rookie systems kinda makes sense since we can all just create a new rookie character and participate almost instantly, new to eve players can participate in these tournaments if thats the kind of style of gameplay they are looking for in a game. tournaments in rookie systems would open up a new market because the demand for ships and supplies will be pretty big if veterans come to participate in the tourneys.

in the OP you mention "the opportunities system isnt doing overwhelmingly well". has it been considered to create a more visual representation of the current opportunity map. or alternatively a more customizable map that is more like a mindmap.

1. the map should be able to zoom in and out like a real mindmap. personally i love my mindmaps on mindmeister.com where i can make several bubbles and i can zoom out to see them all at once, in a structure that i have personally shaped in a way that makes sense for my mind, and also i can zoom in on specific branch of bubbles that i feel like focusing my mind on (which helps block out unnecessary distractions). you could even make a community contest for who comes up with the best mindmap structure, you can have several winners, the 'example mindmaps' will always be available for rookies but ideally they want to create their own unique maps.

2. ask for help from community to come up with the best fitting screenshots/youtube videos to be part of the current opportunities map.

i wonder if eve forums could be buffed to be able to host corporations and their internal talk. and also are the forums a good platform for a CEO to express himself and share his vision to the workers. if the vision of the CEO is to reach certain goal or certain profit numbers then he would need a place where he can reliably and effectively communicate his vision to his staff as well as being able to micro manage them throughout their work process to bring about more accurate profit results.

just few more thoughts on corporate training events and jovian tech, a quick brainstorming session

* rookies can intuitively warp to a beacon and its an instant recruitment event with a wide range of 'isk making' activities all in one place so that people can get a taster of what its like to be part of their fleets before joining the corp.
* corporations can show off that they made big isk investment into their events in order to be a good host that puts on a good show.

* the jovian tech is a hybrid structure. tournaments is only the secondary function, the primary function is leaving the owner of the structurr vaulnerable to being attack by other corporations, it could potentially have a 3rd function in the future.
* there could be different size structure, some of them higher upkeep price than others. in addition to upkeep there is the maximum amount of people each structure can handle to host during battles.
* the possibility of pirate factions sending waves of npc fleets to try capture these structures. this could simulate what its like to fight in nullsec.
* the jovian tech allows corporations fight eachother (pvp), you fight for control of the jovian structure by fighting in neutral territory where there are no laws. nullsec style fighting.
* each corporation that owns a jovian tech gets access to a neutral space where only a predermined amount of people are allowed to enter (like some sort of bubble or perhaps a wormhole)
* corporations can fight eachother for the ownership of the jovian structure whenever a a neutral space is opened it means hostile fleet intending to capture the structure can enter into that neutral space in order to capture it from there. but only a limited amount of ships can enter same time, reinforcements would have to wait in line to get in, there would be a timer every 5 or 10 minutes a new wave can enter.

My opinion on this is still the same.

The NPE can be addressed by actually giving them an experience.


Create a 4 system environment where all new players start.
a HS, LS, NS, and WH system.

In these training grounds, new players will get to experience as much as possible.
They never leave their noob ship, but noob ships will be modified throughout the process to give it certain functionality.

They'll be trained on what most of us would be considered the basics, plus some special stuff that will give them experience with other actions. These scenarios would be like dropping bubbles, launching bombs, etc. etc..

It would all culminate in a massive nullsec brawl, including Titans and Supers, in which they are podded, to then be taken to the character creation screen, where they choose their race, based on the training program, create their character, and are then spawned in the rookie area of their selected race.

This training program is an at your own pace system, would have voice over (bring back Aura for this), and would give a visually and verbally guided walk through of just about everything in Eve, all culminating in your death which is the way of Eve.

This allows players to know what they're getting into long before they spend however long training.
IMHO, I think this would greatly increase retention not only by training players on Eve, but also giving them a sense of purpose by allowing them to see all kinds of things. They may not pilot a lot of the ships they will see, but they'll get to fly along side, and against some of the more advanced ships in the game.

Consider it an Epic Arc of sorts.

CCP could Even use this program as their "Try it free" program.
Instead of giving 2 weeks free, they could simply say "Experience the Greatness that is Eve with a free training program."
For one player, it may last 2 days cause they grind it out.. For another player, it may last a month because they just don't have that much free time.



As far as starting players with skills, I don't too much agree with this, but instead suggest the removal of most, if not all, of the 1x skills in order to reduce the gap between new bro and actually be able to fly something.


Now, on the topic of attributes and their implants...
Just remove them... Much like med clones, they're a legacy item that represents the less functional ideas of Eve.
There are people that argue they're a risks vs rewards type system, but if you really stop and think about it, it's more of a "more risks for taking risks" system. The theory is typically that taking more risks gives more rewards. However, that is not how attribute implants work. Someone that never actually undocks is actually getting all the same benefits with none of the risks.
Remaps is also one of the worst mechanics in Eve... It literally locks you in for a year!! Why would CCP want to keep a system that promotes boredom by limiting variation? Most of us that are willing to dedicate to a 1 year training plan are so far deep into the game that it really doesn't matter. Those that aren't that far into the game, are best off not using remaps unless they have 2 available.

Instead, you can take those 1-5 implant slots, and allow the implants for 6-10 to be fitted in.
HOWEVER, you cannot stack them. IE, you can't fit 2 torp damage implants in 1 and 6.
This allow either more specialization with implants (IE. tank and DPS for PVE) or allows for variation (IE. missile bonuses in 1-5 and turrets in 6-10) allowing for more play style variety with a clone.

All this combined not only makes the NPE better, but at the same time, increases retention and improves quality of life.