EVE General Discussion

to be fair i lost my gila in a thunderdome match against a phantasm, it seemed like such an easy kill for him

to be fair i lost my gila in a thunderdome match against a phantasm, it seemed like such an easy kill for him

I couldn't kill a drone boat because I didn't bring the right tools for the job and I couldn't come up with any tactics to beat it.

CCP should change it so I can turn up with my friends and kill every ship in the game, even if I picked the wrong ship/ship fit. But they have to make me the only one that can do it because everyone will be doing it, and then I would have to come to the forum and complain that there was someone I couldn't beat.

I think the MAIN problem of the OP is the cardinal sin of EvE - Failure to Adapt. Your Arazu, etc. work great against turreted or missile ship, but not so much against a drone boat (and I think poor tactics may be to blame here too), well ADAPT!!! Fly more heavy dps, rather than a falcon... Gilas melt just like other ships. Fly (gasp) a drone boat yourself. Don't be frigging lazy and complain that the round hole is overpowered if you are trying to fit a square peg into it. But yes, it is sooo much easier to whine than to figure out how to deal with it.

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No I'm saying that drone boats being resistant to all E-WAR is ridiculous because unlike every other type of ship "excluding capitals" there is no effective E-war / non shooting counter, which is silly.

f*** it if they made a specialized ship for it I would have added it at the beginning.

Like really there kinda invulnerable to all EW, cap warfare etc due to them shooting even after being Jammed / sensor disrupted and aggressive drones automatically firing and being able to assign your drones to someone else, the only way to deal with them is the dumb way of destroying the ships. Now you can obviously still turn off the micro's / AB's and other modules with cap warfare and scrams but eh.

Like seriously within the past 2 days there has been 2 times were if something hadn't have been a drone boat I could have killed them all 1 where we had a Falcon, Rapier, Arazu and 2 damage ships against 6 drone boats with Sentries and we just couldn't engage because range control ships and ECM would have done us no good, and it was early in the morning so we couldn't call anyone else out

Then there was another one where there was a Gila running sites in a WH and we only had 2 pilots on-line because it was really late and again if it was a turret/missle ship we could have easily taken it out with a Arazu and a heavy DPS ship with a light tank. But no the only way of fighting them would have been to bring more tanky and higher DPS ships.

Now all the other weapon systems have there up's and downs Lasers don't require you to fill up your cargo hold with Ammo but require a fair bit of cap to shoot, Autocannon don't require cap but the Ammo is quite large, Hybrids require less cap than lasers but the ammo is of a reasonable size, missiles don't require cap and are not effected by tracking disruption but have flight times and can be counters by firewalls and are quite large usually.

Meanwhile drones are not effected by Cap warfare and are effectively invulrable to EW, tracking disruptors, ECM and webs because if you have enough ships to apply there effects to all there drones you might as well have just brought DPS ships and shot them to high hell. I know you have the risk of someone shooting your drones but a lot of these drone boats have increases the amount of HP on drones to the point to where it is much more effective to just shoot the ship.

Now I'm not saying they should be super vulnerable to webs / tracking disruption because it makes no sense for Web's and tracking disruption applied to the ship to be applied to the drones, but at the very least think your drone control range should be effected by damps and drones can should only be able to attack things within your sensor's range ECM should make you lose connection to your drones and drone mechanics would be changed so you automatically reconnect to your drones when there on grid, and your drones if there not sentries for obvious reasons should fly towards you if there disconnected and cannot regain connection.

My point is that there really unbalanced compared to all the other weapon systems.

The only problem are -or better were- sentries with ishtars. With some exception of the ishtar shooting the drones is a very good option in smaller scale pvp. And in big battles... smartbombs anyone?

CCP has given us the statistics which show the dominance of drones across every ships class so your words are just that, anyone who keeps up with pvp ship balance knows the reality.

Not that I like to pick on killboards due to alts and the fact that they can be manipulated, but it is hard to ignore that you have a lot of Ishtar losses and very few drone ship kills on there.

Lets take the example of a solo fight against an Ishtar using ogres, even applying maximum DPS on the ogres with a similarly matched ship (bear in mind that applying your maximum dps is very unlikely) your looking at around 10 seconds to kill each Ogre.

The Ishtar can field 15 Ogres and you'd need to kill 11 of them before you start having an impact on its actual dps (this is not including the fact that a skilled drone user isnt going to make it easy for you to kill his drones and will recall damaged ones and let them recharge the shield and have to target a new one).

So in best case scenario your looking at just under 2 minutes before you start having tangible effect on the Ishtars DPS by shooting at its drones, given how much damage a flight of 5 ogres will do to you its unlikely you'll last two minutes (and we didn't even mention the fact that the ishtar has a full rack of free high slots for extra blaster DPS or neuts)