Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I just finished about 6 hours worth of null sec exploration. All I found were data sites, which nobody seems to do anymore, except for the sleeper sites. I have run into fellow explorers that don't even have a data analyzer, because the Data sites are so worthless.

On a whim, I decided to see how much ISK I could pull out for 4 of them, all in the same system. My grand total? Under 20 million. My total for 6-8 hours of exploration? Under 80 million. This is terrible. I could easily have farmed over 400 million doing level 4 missions, which is boring as hell. Somebody running incursions would have had over 1 billion.

It is extremely depressing to log that much time and run into 1 relic site and not a single sleeper site. It makes exploration seem like a complete waste of time to anybody with a reasonable number of skill points. I have seen this all over EVE- since I travel everywhere.

People who can play off peak hours, which I have done, do far better, but for those of us forced to play at peak times the ISK to time ratio is terrible.

Please look at boosting the base rewards for data sites so that they are worth doing, or increase the spawn rate so that those of us stuck playing at these times can have the opportunity to find more sleeper/relic sites.

Though I have a trading alt to make real ISK, I like exploration- especially during wars with station camping corps, but it is just not worth it with nobody doing the data sites.

The barrier is the same for the Relic sites and the Sleeper sites take a lot of training. The barrier for LvL 4 mission running is also low and the ISK is much better, not to mention, much lower risk.

I agree that data sites in any space are basically worthless. Sometime a good BP, but I rarely equip a data analyzer at all. If OP is not finding relic sites in null, I would recommend moving elsewhere in null or check WHs.

So yes data sites need a looking at for sure.

Exploration as a profession, not just relic and data sites, is really hurting right now. The problem is actually similar between all its flavours; over-saturation. The cause of the saturation is different in each case, but when rare things stop being rare, they also tend to stop being valuable.

Make a new loot table for scanned down DEDs vs the escalation versions. Plenty of mods do not have deadspace versions yet.

As far as data/relic go, it's sort of hard to come up with something that will be in demand enough to keep large amounts of people employed farming it. I remember the first few weeks after Odyssey, and how quickly those prices normalized.

Exploration should be looked at, as there are plenty of people who find other income sources unbearable.

At one time CCP said they wanted exploration to be the most profitable type of PvE.

Its not. Not by a long shot.

One way to improve it: Increase the breadth of the loot tables. Add skillbooks, ALL the skillbooks, and BPOs to T1 stuff. (These are items currently bought from NPCs). To avoid tanking the market, insure the drop rate of any given skillbook or BPO is less than the current buy rate from the NPCs. This means the NPC price will set a floor.

+1

CCPlease 2015 and still no deadspace large remote reps.

Your income numbers are badly off.

Level 4s done properly are every bit as much as incursions. Factor in time spent moving and sitting on a waitlist to do an incursion and level 4s pull ahead. As for incursions a billion isk in 8 hours is overly optimistic.


I do agree that data sites currently suck.

Please explain Op how long those four sites took you.
Not how long you spent ambling through Nullsec looking for something else, but how long those actual four sites took.
Then reassess that 20 million.

20m in 4 sites (average 5m/site), 80m in 6~8 hours (7 average) 80m / 5m = 16 sites in 7 hours
Sounds like the OP is terrible at exploration not the loot tables so much.

Are data sites bad, yes but that usually has more to do with everyone looking for a jackpot drop with cargo scanners and if many would just hack and scoop all loot they might find there is more loot in data sites than they realize.

That being said, 3 major things killed Data and to a large extend Relic sites.
1: Loot spew required there to be larger amounts of loot in the site in order to maintain a solo players ability to make ISK from them. This caused stockpiles to build up.
2: Scanning became far easier and signatures were openly displayed as soon as a player entered the system.
3: FW LP stores getting Datacores and the industry overhaul that removed racial decryptors.

Solo? Good luck with that.