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Do you feel CCP could do more to combat the bots?
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Endeavour Starfleet
#21 - 2012-01-01 04:47:15 UTC
If CCP wanted to go to the next step it would be a day where slews of bots were banned and at the same time multiple trillions of in game assets removed due to most of their mins or funds being bot based.

To do this requires investigation into every allegation of botting. Then you have to track where the mins or funds are going. Then you have to make sure that the alliances corps members knowingly purchased or used such to make their assets.

Then you remove titan after titan after mom after carrier after batship. If done right the forums would light up with angry botters from alliances claiming they were falsely acted on when in reality their cases were very well researched and thus don't have a leg to stand on.

After that at the very least it would force them to make their bots less efficient. Force a global 20 percent bot effect reduction and prices would get alot better for everyone.

Banning single accounts does jack all. When an alliance wakes up to find half its capital fleet removed THEN they will consider stopping.
Kaylyis
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#22 - 2012-01-01 05:12:55 UTC
Endeavour Starfleet wrote:

Banning single accounts does jack all. When an alliance wakes up to find half its capital fleet removed THEN they will consider stopping.


Much as I hate bots if this were to happen i think the ragequit echo would be heard in LEO.

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...
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Screw the tears, let there be a symphony of screams.

DO it.
Endeavour Starfleet
#23 - 2012-01-01 05:30:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Endeavour Starfleet
Very few will actually quit. They know they are in the wrong and are likely doing it to not fall behind the others doing it.

See the issue and the solution. When they know CCP is going to start targeting assets they will slow or stop their botting because they know CCP will go after everyone equally.

Another thing. Rules in any corp, group, or alliance instructing members to not report blue bots should be considered an attempt to circumvent the EULA and should be removed or the poster banned same as the bots.

Remember folks if you see a bot gather evidence then report it. Even if its a blue. That "blue" bot is just hurting you and your corp by reducing demand for what you make.
Kaylyis
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2012-01-01 05:33:56 UTC
Endeavour Starfleet wrote:
Very few will actually quit. They know they are in the wrong and are likely doing it to not fall behind the others doing it.

See the issue and the solution. When they know CCP is going to start targeting assets they will slow or stop their botting because they know CCP will go after everyone equally.

Another thing. Rules in any corp, group, or alliance instructing members to not report blue bots should be considered an attempt to circumvent the EULA and should be removed or the poster banned same as the bots.

Remember folks if you see a bot gather evidence then report it. Even if its a blue. That "blue" bot is just hurting you and your corp by reducing demand for what you make.


I was more hoping for the screams of the botters.

Alliances usually vent their displeasure with autocans and Lasers.

I'm for both of these things.
Selinate
#25 - 2012-01-01 05:34:29 UTC
This thread is right next to a thread advertising a bot.

Priceless.
Rory Orlenard
Eve Pilots Revolutionary Army
#26 - 2012-01-01 05:49:02 UTC
I equiped a frigate with a prototype cloak and used dotlan to check on xxdeathxx and goons.

What i found in the northeast was Nidhoggers supported by a t3 and a BS doing massive npc kills.

What i found in the southwest was players nervous and ready to shoot doing the npc anamolies.

Bots are around probably but i couldn't find them. Just to see what they were doing i tried an anamoly site in a quiet system..
the drops are equivalent to lvl 2 mission drops in highsec. complete crap.

If you have hints how to find the null bots drop me a pointer.
Kaylyis
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2012-01-01 06:04:46 UTC
Rory Orlenard wrote:
I equiped a frigate with a prototype cloak and used dotlan to check on xxdeathxx and goons.

What i found in the northeast was Nidhoggers supported by a t3 and a BS doing massive npc kills.

What i found in the southwest was players nervous and ready to shoot doing the npc anamolies.

Bots are around probably but i couldn't find them. Just to see what they were doing i tried an anamoly site in a quiet system..
the drops are equivalent to lvl 2 mission drops in highsec. complete crap.

If you have hints how to find the null bots drop me a pointer.


****, I just hate botters. So far as I'm concerned rumors of Goon bots are to be treated as hearsay until I see evidence or CCP confirms. But then my forays into nullsec have culminated in abrupt, firey death followed by the need to purchase a new clone.

I don't care who owns the bots, I just want them all to burn.
Skydell
Bad Girl Posse
#28 - 2012-01-01 07:14:46 UTC
Velicitia wrote:
yes. they could remove CONCORD for a week. Twisted


Drone regions are null sec, no Concord. What's your excuse now?

Macro accounts are just another tit on the cow.
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#29 - 2012-01-01 08:18:51 UTC
Yes.

Why ?
Because they don't do enough and their reaction times are incredible bad.

I've seen so many bots just yesterday after miners got ganked in belts,
it makes me sad ... and glat that Hulkaggeddon V is finally coming.
Prince Kobol
#30 - 2012-01-01 08:31:38 UTC
Solstice Project wrote:
Yes.

Why ?
Because they don't do enough and their reaction times are incredible bad.

I've seen so many bots just yesterday after miners got ganked in belts,
it makes me sad ... and glat that Hulkaggeddon V is finally coming.


Hulkaggeddon has nothing to do with bots, just like the the goons ice interdiction had nothing to do with bots.

Both events have one purpose.. it make isk.

For Hulkaggeddon its isk for the those who can manufacture hulks, the ice interdiction for the goons.

I do not have a problem with either other then Hulkaggeddon has now become quite boring and old news but please don't pretend it something that it isn't.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#31 - 2012-01-01 08:46:26 UTC
Shag Sheep wrote:
^ just edited it slightly to make my point clearer for you.

Also, true aligning means not just pointing in the direction you want to be able to warp too, it's also moving in that direction to avoid the long & dangerous acceleration time of mining vessels. Considering the mining lasers limited range, that means you often out range the rocks before you fill your cargo and that's assuming you are not trying to fill a can or something. What happens when you are out of range? You warp off and then warp back to your original position? Or maybe turn around and get closer again so you can then realign to your warp out and repeat (this one completely defeats the aligning purpose)? Neither of those two scenarios do anything but make mining even less profitable than it is already. The time wasted cuts deeply into the already low bottom line.


1. Webs
2. Cargo rigs to slow you down
3. Get 2 (ideally 4) celestials and align your way into an orbit around your roid.

All 3 will fix your range issue.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Enquirer
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2012-01-01 09:24:10 UTC
what bots?
Ioci
Bad Girl Posse
#33 - 2012-01-01 09:34:58 UTC
Enquirer wrote:
what bots?


I think it's a typo. The don't want Drakes and other missle boats. Not sure tho.

R.I.P. Vile Rat
Halcyon Ingenium
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#34 - 2012-01-01 09:44:57 UTC
Yes

My only caveat is to ask, "At what cost?" I lack information to determine if they are doing everything they can without getting downright Draconian and intrusive with their efforts. I want bots to disappear, but not at the cost of making the game un-fun or having my own privacy violated and possibly exploited.

This being said, the problem is definitely getting steadily worse. I remember a time when mining was actually worth the time, despite the boredom. Now, pffft. Now its a waste of time and effort at best.

The only solution I've ever been able to come up with myself is to make all asteroid fields grav sites, and to make every system spawn at least three every day, so that scanning must be done to find an asteroid field. This wouldn't kill the botting, but it would make the profession at least a little more interesting and drive off the laziest of the botters, maybe.

By the way, since we're already talking, do you want to buy a rifter? I've got the cheapest rifters in Metropolis. If you can find a cheaper rifter, buy it!
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#35 - 2012-01-01 10:20:56 UTC
Marlona Sky wrote:
Simple yes or no answer please and then list your reasons why.


Of course they could do more. It's a question of whether they could usefully and efficiently do more with their finite resources.

For instance, if they're spending resources developing rats which take intelligence and skill to defeat, then I'm very content for them not to be spending those resources tracking invidividual botters in the meanwhile, because it's a long term solution to the underlying problem.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Ai Shun
#36 - 2012-01-01 10:21:15 UTC
Yes.

I do not believe they can ever do enough. As long as there is a manual way to do something somebody will find a way to do it automatically. And by the time they've made it difficult enough for the botters the real players would be suffering as well. It might not be worth that cost at the end of the day.
Hainnz
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#37 - 2012-01-01 10:58:41 UTC
There is something very charming about the idea of playing a space miner and I don't like how bots (and drone compounds to some extent) have ruined it as a profitable activity. Thinking about it, mining should be the most lucrative step in the entire production process simply because it is so boring.

I'd like CCP develop a game launcher that resides in memory while you play and looks for suspicious activity and known bot processes. I also think making mining somehow more active so that a person needs to be in control would help a lot as well.
Bienator II
madmen of the skies
#38 - 2012-01-01 11:01:33 UTC
make it a feature. done.

how to fix eve: 1) remove ECM 2) rename dampeners to ECM 3) add new anti-drone ewar for caldari 4) give offgrid boosters ongrid combat value
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#39 - 2012-01-01 11:06:46 UTC  |  Edited by: RubyPorto
Hainnz wrote:
There is something very charming about the idea of playing a space miner and I don't like how bots (and drone compounds to some extent) have ruined it as a profitable activity. Thinking about it, mining should be the most lucrative step in the entire production process simply because it is so boring.

I'd like CCP develop a game launcher that resides in memory while you play and looks for suspicious activity and known bot processes. I also think making mining somehow more active so that a person needs to be in control would help a lot as well.


Mining is easy and risk free. So everyone does it. So it doesn't provide much income (drone poop is a problem, but fixing it won't help Hisec mining income much). Other Risk free activities (missions, etc.) don't suffer from competition as much, though the do cause inflation, which hurts their real income (and helps that of miners).

Manufacturing runs the risk of changing markets and traders doubly so. So they make more money for accepting risk. If you'd like to capture that isk(and risk), WELL, Have I got news for YOU. With my patented 20d Skill plan, YOU can be manufacturing your very own items out of the very same kind of minerals YOU already have.

Edit:
Something like Warden would alienate the userbase, wouldn't work if you run Eve in a virtual machine (like the official Mac Client), and is easily bypassed or confused anyway. So no thanks to the Warden idea.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Luh Windan
green fish hat bang bang
#40 - 2012-01-01 11:16:34 UTC
I don't know if they could do more or not because I've not ever come across Bots in game. All I see on the forum is hearsay so it's very hard to tell if it's a real problem or like immigration has become in the UK something that people just get worked up about for no apparent good reason.

What I don't understand is why miners aren't ganking the f**k out of each other. Surely you would make more profit if there was less competition? It's simple economics - reduce supply from others and protect your own supply.

I agree with a poster further up though - rats should be more like players, require intelligence and PvP fits to fight - in belts, in complexes and in missions.
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