EVE General Discussion

Honestly, i think what needs to happen is the old char creator mechanic needs to be brought back.

When i started eve in 2004 it went something like this:

pick your race (get base racial skills, like frig 1)

pick blood line (get additional skills and lvls base don blood line, now frig is at 3)

pick your 'professtion' (get new skills and lvl based on professtion, frig is now 4)

if you picked the correct comination, you coudl start the game being just shy the skills for 2t guns, an AF, and a few minor skills, in about a day or two you could be rocking.

You could also have started a hauling alt that could use a mamoth with t2 cargo expandors

you could of made a miner with t2 mining lazors.

This is a better way to give an advantage to players when they start, and also makes your choices again have consequences.

Also they used to give new players a 30 day 100% training bonus. So in your first month you trained skills 100% faster.

Anyway...

somehow posted to wrong thread.

If every one is going to start with Power Grid Management and CPU Management 5 might as well just remove the skills and set everyone to 5.

How about this, new characters get no remap for the first 2-6 months. None. After that they can have the standard 2 remaps.

All attributes are set equal (short change Charisma at 18).

Give all new players 100% training boost for 1 month for the skill categories, engineering, electronics, drons gunner, missiles, navigation, shields, spaceship command, targeting (i.e. where you find most of your "core" skills). Other skill categories can be trained, but only at normal speed.

The lack of remap is to keep new players from screwing themselves over and getting stuck with a crappy distribution of attrributes. And they'll likely be training skills with different primary and secondary attributes, so a uniform distribution of attributes is probably best for them for awhile. After all, we have to protect these special snowflakes from themselves.

If I did the math right, these little delicate flowers will have about 962,000 SP at the end of their first month. Probably took me 2x as long and I spent alot of that time training learning skills, but I guess you young people these days are just too fragile.

Let me know if any of you need to be tucked into bed, or need me to turn on the night light.

Suppose Bob starts playing Eve and loves it. He tells Frank to start so they can play Eve together. Frank dithers around for a couple of weeks, but lucky Frank he joined just after the "extra SP/Boosted training/whatever"

Poor Bob is f*cked in the ass though because he joined earlier...even though on an SP basis in 6 months they'd be pretty much at the same place. But now, Frank is going to have 15% more SP than Bob at the 6 month point.

At point do you start f*cking players over?

Just...you know..curious about this fine point.

It is the same barrier that has always been there. And what about the guy who started 2 months before this change? 3 Months? The day before?

Talk about child like reasoning...nobody has thought about this though have they.

If you "grandfather" in older, but still new characters what is the cut off point and how to you justify to those who are on the **** end of that cutoff point?

Edit: Actually that "barrier" is smaller than it was, IMO. First off IIRC we did not have attribute remaps. We also had learning skills so the first few weeks were often spent training those.

I am talking about "new" players fool. If you do this in say, September...why screw over a guy who joined in August or July? Want them to quit?

And how long before people are back here whining some more about SP and barriers to fun?

As I noted early on people trained learning skills, and IIRC the second tier learning skills were Rank 3. Meaning you had to spend a fair amount of time on them. Most people would train Rank 1 skills to 5 then the Rank 3 skills to 4. If my memory is correct and I did the math right we are talking almost 2 months worth of training.

Edit: Redid the math, more like 40 days for learning skills.

No, it is called being fair. A guy who joins once this change goes live will have, somewhere near 2x the XP of the guy who joined just before. Early on that kind of skill differential is pretty significant. Down the road it wont make as much of a difference, but that same argument applies between current "vets" and current "new" players.

But good job shooting yourself in the foot.

Let's agree to disagree and move on, I'm of the opinion nobody will care cause I sure won't.

My thoughts (as I stated earlier) are:


There's no skillpoints as new players wouldn't know what to do with them, just unlock the skills.

No doubt you think this is even worse, so tell us your master plan.

They need to take a very hard look at implants and/or jump clones.

+5s make training happen a lot faster, but are very painful to lose and encourage people to not wormhole dive, fight in wars, or poke around the scarier parts of the universe.

I saw one set of +6s in a contract in Jita. Once.

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They could have done a lot worse with skills:
They could have made it a grindy type of thing where you stare at an NPC all day to make them go up a few points.
They could have made it necessary to get Vs in just about everything to be serious. IIIs and IVs are enough to cut it, but Vs are obviously better.
They could have made skill training linear, instead of diminishing returns: IVs take a little over a day, Vs take 6, and the advanced versions of skills have ridiculous multipliers on them for very little game (advanced [weapon] spec, I'm looking at you) which makes them really Chinese finger traps and not that important to push over even I.