Crime & Punishment

Lucas thrives on not only ignoring where he is wrong but pretending that the things he can't argue don't exist

Lol, of course you are.
*scan* Too tanked. *scan* Bad loot *scan* Jackpot! Let's go!

That's choosing.

The are also two of the lowest paid in EVE. Mining also needs a change to make it more complex however.

Nope

And yet any competent ganker is rolling in isk and can give you a good idea of how much income ganking will generate. What you're doing here is stating that because a gank can yield low that reward is low, but it's not, like exploration it's chance based but averages out. There's a reason miniluv can afford to send out tens of thousands of gankers for events like burn jita, and it's not because they mine a lot.

I've already stated what I'd change. It's not about balancing player choice, but introducing other factors and making the activity move complex. I'm not saying lower the reward (though if I were saying that it would be simple - lower drop rates from ganked ships), I'm saying bring the complexity up so that there's more individual effort and more active factors to consider while doing the actual gank.

Give me something in the game that is more complex than freighter fleet ganking, or hyperdunking.

Easy. Sov mechanics. But no, incursions for a start. Even profitably doing industry on the scale of income that ganking generates is more complex than ganking.

What do you mean by sov mechanics? I mean, I could say that 'nullsec' is more complex, but that's like comparing apples to oranges, I probably should have phrased the question better.

Incursions are definitely not more complex, it's all completely calculated out perfectly. They know exactly what they're going into and what the possibilities are, it's PvE and it never changes. CODE. freighter fleets are constantly harassed by anti-gankers who can do anything they set their mind to, and we have plenty of ideas of what they could do to actually hurt us during these encounters, but we never know what they're going to do, it's all predictions and seeing how they telegraph their actions.

There is a lot to it that you wouldn't understand unless you ran some fleets or participated.


You see a lot of one sided super/titan kills in low/null sec all the time, where one ship is killed by significantly more people, and usually the attackers lose nothing. The only reason these people are content to sit here and bide their time are because stupid people don't properly deal with their own assets and take the proper precautions to be safe, even though there are 100% safe methods available to do said thing in the game. It's player stupidity that you want to buff, not balance.

Run a freighter fleet and tell me it's not complex, please. If you haven't done it before and seen the problems with it then you really cant talk to it's many intricacies and difficulties. You see the profit, none of the difficulty going into it, and you just ASSUME that one person is collecting the profit. If you calculate that you made 20 billion (that's pretty high) after a three hour freighter fleet in uedama with twenty DPS (not including the dozen support, bumpers, contract makers) and subtracting the cost of the ships, you'd make roughly 100 mil per hour. That's definitely in line with regular activities, even less than incursions.

there are counters to ganking that exist right now that in their own right can break it and delete it, just people are bad at eve

counters that make it ZERO reward.

I don't know how much riskier you can make it, spending several billion on taloses to kill a big target in jita and still get nothing out of it.

Lol? And ganks aren't? There's spreadsheets that you literally paste the fit into and it tells you how many people you need. The toughest part of a freighter gank is the bumping, which itself is more monotonous than complex. After that it's fleet warp to target, overheating and grouping on the way, then approach and hit F1. at the very least with incursions you have to actively focus targets and have logi working well to keep people up as and when they need it. And they have billions of bling fit on the line, not a bunch of cheap, disposable ships.

LOL! Anti-gankers! Those guys you make a point of explainign how futile their attemps are at nearly every opportunity? Dude, I've been on plenty of gank fleets, and they genearlly just mean that you'll have additional targets to get a volley or two on when the freighter goes pop.

I've run a few a while back and I participate these days. Stop pretending it's more complex than it is :D

It's simple math and evens out over time, so it's no risk at all for career gankers. Of course you already know that, so why bring it up at all?

Haha, hello, welcome wreck shooters. People who show up all the time just to shoot wrecks deny us of all our loot. Standard fleets haven't been profitable in weeks, and hyperdunking stops being profitable the second one person shows up to stop me.