EVE General Discussion

EVE is non-linear unlike the WoW example posted up above. Skills make that possible. The only gap is in the wider selection of ships and equipment at the disposal of players with more SP. But no one can use every ship and every mod and every skill at the same time. And in ways, having so many such options can put one at a disadvantage; if they get rusty with a particular tactic on a particular ship while the newer player has but only focused on understanding that ship and it's current state for a given time.

I enjoyed my time beginning the game. The beginner agents were around to do missions for whilst learning the skills, the ones I needed were trained more than quick enough. After I got into an actual corp skills were something I figured out while mining for the corp, and we got some awox shenanigans on one of our mining ops. So one of the newbies decided to make his own corp and bring a few of us with him, and we did have some fun.


My point is skills are a non issue. Giving free skills isn't needed. At all.

Totally agree with that.

The suggestions about a career choice is good, as long new players get well educated about the choices they have to make at the start, but I believe the first careers need to be about ship piloting, not anything else.

Traders, industry, mining, exploring skills do not change much with new technologies added in the ships race.

Have a new player have to make a choice between piloting a mining ship, or a hauler, or an explorer, or a fighting ship, and providing higher starting skill points in these areas make sense, as ships technologies is what evolves the most in Eve.

As a side note, I do not believe the game should refund any skill point for anyone. It is part of the diffculty to make a choice and having to live with these choices.

Not sure what's wrong with such layout? That's a straght forward scheme - first in more to win. You simply can not equlize vets and greenhors in such a manner when last one would be happy and touch the vets level.
Consider you are as one of the vets and your thread is only because you want your alts be much effective and provide you high level of results in a short period of time vs. go to char bazar and burn billions for a proper toon.

Nothing to do with newbro.

Even if you tell a new player where to put them they wont, by and large, listen.

When I started out I had a few friends. Several of them would train this or that as they wanted to fly this ship or that. I would argue, train your core skills first. Eventually when we wound up in a NS alliance I was getting into fleets in a T2 fit sniper BS, they had to be content with support ships and eventually they all buggered off back to HS unhappy that they couldn't fly a BS, etc.

They eventually came around and trained those skills. One guy...took him forever to train even 1 type of T2 large guns (by then I had generalized to Amarr, Caldari and Gallente large guns).

I was lucky, I read some stuff on a few websites, listened to the older vets in my corp/alliance, and it worked out okay for me.

Most new players...they'll, by and large, squander an extra SP they get then be back here whining. I put all my SP in to [insert racial name here] BS but I still can't fly it!!!!

Is training the support skills sexy and fun? No, not really. But when you get them all to 4 you'll be able to fit a pretty decent ship...be it a cruiser, frigate or whatever. Get them to 5 and you'll have quite a feeling of accomplishment. Of course, if it were handed to you on a platter you'll still have that disgusting sense of entitlement and be back here whining you don't have both Amarr and Gallente carrier 4.

This is always going to be the case. Take a new player give him an character with 100 million SP and he'll likely have his ass handed to him by a player who has a character with 50 or 60 million SP who earned those SP via training and at the same time playing the game.

It is totally unreasonable to expect a 5 or 10 million SP pilot to be able to beat a 100 million SP veteran player in single combat (generally speaking). However, in this game you are NOT relegated to single combat. A 100 million SP vet is going to find himself hard pressed against even a modest number of 5-10 million SP characters...if they were even somewhat smart in the skills they trained.

Yes, you have never had a "tight" fit where you just barely get the fit on there? For example, my mining character has a skiff fit where if you changed CPU management from 5% down to 4% he'd have to change the fit and reduce the tank....i.e. make him more vulnerable to being ganked if in HS....okay I could go out and by an implant, but how does that help a new player? Similarly for a scythe set up for one of our fleet doctrines...nerf CPU management down to 3%/level fit no longer works. Wont work with 4%/level either. Exequror fit doesn't work either.

Edit:

I have an aguoror fit where if you nerf Power Grid Managment from 5%/level to 4%/level it is no longer viable. An enyo fit where if PG Management or CPU Management are dropped down to 3%/level it wont work.

Edit II: Unless you are talking about the rank of the skill, but even then...most of the "Key Engineering" skills have a rank of 1 or 2 alreay. Some are 3 and the only other "key" skill in engineering would be Advanced Weapons Upgrades which is, admittedly rank 6.

Dude, look at Evemon, or open the skills. Most of them are already rank 1. And the term is not modifier, but rank. So before you get all stupid about me not reading learn to write.

Oh, and many of the Nav skills are pretty low too for new players.

Warp Drive Operation Rank 1
Navigation Rank 1
Afterburner Rank 1
Evasive Maneuvering Rank 2
Fuel Conservation Rank 2

You have a bit of a point with High Speed Maneuvering and Acceleration Control (Ranks 5 and 4) respectively. Otherwise all the other skills are jump drive skills which are 5 and above...and probably for good reason and not something a new player should be worried about.



And just because you've been such a complete jackass,

Power Grid Management Rank 1
CPU Management Rank 1
Capacitor Emissions Systems Rank 2
Capacitor Systems Operation Rank 1
Electronic Upgrades Rank 2
Energy Grid Upgrades Rank 2
Energy Pulse Weapons Rank 2
Nanite Operation Rank 2
Weapons Upgrades Rank 2
Capacitor Management Rank 3
Nanite Interfacing Rank 3
Thermodynamics Rank 3

12 out of 14 skills are Rank 3 or lower in Engineering. The two exceptions being Advanced Weapons Upgrades and Capital Capacitor Emissions Systems. Like the latter is really something a new player should be worried about.

what do you define as entry level?

Yes, new players should be able to fly a Hulk from day one.