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Somatic Neuron
Masterwork Productions Inc
#1 - 2011-12-15 13:52:27 UTC
I feel that it would be of significant value if you gave us the ability to research BPC like we can BPOs. T2 Invention leaves us with negative ME/PE, which results in a significant increase in the costs and time to build from them. Allowing us to research the BPC before we use them would give us the say in how expensive it is to build from them, based on how long it takes to research vs profit over time. So, if I wanted to research a BPC to reduce my costs over my competition, I could do so.

There are many items out now that do not have BPO counterparts, so the standard flame reply of "Buy a BPO" just doesn't cut it.

This would also allow us to compete with BPOs

*Dons Flame Suit*
wiiwiiwii
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2011-12-15 23:16:03 UTC
brilliant
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
#3 - 2011-12-15 23:32:49 UTC

Interesting idea...

I've thought that changing the decryptors such that invented BPC's would retain a percentage of the base BPC's ME/PE levels would be very good for the economy and easy to implement. T2 BPO's would not have to worry about invention costs, and would thereby still maintain a signficant advantage.

I hadn't really considered just allowing the ME/PE levels of a BPC to be researched... Given the research times of many t2 BPCs, BPO's would retain a huge time advantage... It would also seriously increase the demand for research slots!!
Somatic Neuron
Masterwork Productions Inc
#4 - 2011-12-16 22:57:13 UTC
Gizznitt Malikite wrote:

Interesting idea...

I've thought that changing the decryptors such that invented BPC's would retain a percentage of the base BPC's ME/PE levels would be very good for the economy and easy to implement. T2 BPO's would not have to worry about invention costs, and would thereby still maintain a signficant advantage.

I hadn't really considered just allowing the ME/PE levels of a BPC to be researched... Given the research times of many t2 BPCs, BPO's would retain a huge time advantage... It would also seriously increase the demand for research slots!!


Thanks. I feel it also gracefully gets around the whole "get rid of T2 BPOs" debate, as well.
Scrapyard Bob
EVE University
Ivy League
#5 - 2011-12-16 23:29:58 UTC
For most stuff, it won't make a difference - the volumes involved in a particular material are rather miniscule. But it would have a much higher impact on hulls / capital modules. It would also impact the prices of decryptors, so they might need to be rebalanced (or maybe not).

The formula that I've always been partial to is:

T2 BPC ME = sqrt(T1 BP ME) - 5

So a T1 BPC with ME9 would give you a T2 BPC with ME -2. Going with T1 BPC ME 36 would get you T2 ME of +1. But a T1 BPC with ME100 would still only get you ME +5.

People with T2 BPOs would still have the advantage in costs due to not having to create BPCs and consume datacores, but it would narrow the gap.
Jade Mitch
A Problem with Authority
#6 - 2011-12-16 23:39:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Jade Mitch
It's a great idea but research lines are already saturated with BPOs. Instead of doing more research, I'd rather have something like an upgraded interface or data core or some thingamajig that would give us a % chance of finishing early and/or recuperating some of the minerals.
Somatic Neuron
Masterwork Productions Inc
#7 - 2011-12-17 05:10:29 UTC
Jade Mitch wrote:
It's a great idea but research lines are already saturated with BPOs. Instead of doing more research, I'd rather have something like an upgraded interface or data core or some thingamajig that would give us a % chance of finishing early and/or recuperating some of the minerals.


Mitigating research queues in Empire should NEVER be a consideration on whether or not to do something. Player Owned labs would be where serious builders would be doing this extra research anyway, as they already have to have them for research and copying anyway.
Somatic Neuron
Masterwork Productions Inc
#8 - 2011-12-17 05:12:40 UTC
Scrapyard Bob wrote:
For most stuff, it won't make a difference - the volumes involved in a particular material are rather miniscule. But it would have a much higher impact on hulls / capital modules. It would also impact the prices of decryptors, so they might need to be rebalanced (or maybe not).

The formula that I've always been partial to is:

T2 BPC ME = sqrt(T1 BP ME) - 5

So a T1 BPC with ME9 would give you a T2 BPC with ME -2. Going with T1 BPC ME 36 would get you T2 ME of +1. But a T1 BPC with ME100 would still only get you ME +5.

People with T2 BPOs would still have the advantage in costs due to not having to create BPCs and consume datacores, but it would narrow the gap.



You're talking about people that try to squeeze out the last 0.0001 ISK not caring about, what you refer to as, miniscule amounts? It should be up to each builder's decision on whether it is worth it to them on how efficient their production chains are...not some arbitrary decision that was decided upon years ago....
el alasar
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2012-01-01 06:21:36 UTC
interesting thought. please also see

industry: new type of research to allow building meta 1-4 items (e.g. researching BPC)

check the moderated 10000 papercuts evelopedia page! http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Little_things_and_ideas_-_low_hanging_fruit_-_10000_papercuts comment, bump(!) and like what you like