Crime & Punishment

Ok it seems like you want EVE to be hard for everybody, you are arguing that people who wants to nerf hi-sec ganking wants tha game easier for them. What I don't get is, what is hard for the gankers?

The thing is, everybody can become a hi-sec miner ganker, post killmails on local and spew b***s*** rp lines. They don't have to risk anything. Yes RISK, that is the main theme of EVE. Gankers seem to think that they are actually prooving that hi-sec pilots are still risking their ships when they undock. Yea that is true, that is EVE. But what are gankers risking? Catas? Not even that.

A good gankee, in this thread's definition, is the one who can avoid the gank. It's not hat hard really. But when the gankee avoids the gank, did the ganker really lost? Because he lost nothing, he didn't have to risk anything in the first place. There is no bad day for gankers. There are just empty days where he happens to not find any afk mining poof.

I have nothing against hi-sec ganking. When it is done for real profit, it requires know how, coordination, teamwork and effort. Also it makes sense. I also have no big problem with what CODE doing simply because they don't matter. Their kills requires no skill whatsoever, so they won't be respected. Their work is not nearly profitable enough to earn viable income. Their actions has no consenquence becase there will always be carebears and afk miners. They don't matter.

But when some hi-sec ganker comes along and talks about game being "too easy" for carebears, that is so ignorant it is funny. In their ignorance the miner killers doesn't realise that actually it is they who chose to play EVE in easy mode.

I don't think you understand what I am getting at, maybe a buff to the Charon in some way, but the thing is that I am not so bothered about the value of the cargo being the determining factor like you suggest, the changes I am thinking of is a buffing of the penalties so that CONCORD blow us anything the ganker is in for 15 minutes period, or have some docking penalties that are meaningful, what it would do is change things slightly. I certainly am not in favour of a typical CCP over the top nerf approach, did you see what they did to the drake... or more importantly to the heavy missiles.

EDIT: I just want to say even though I am opposed to CODE I do respect their sheer organisation and the skill of many of their players, they are skilled and very good at what they do.

Someone mentioned this before, and I addressed it, but I guess you missed it...CONCORD already does blow up anything a GCC player is in for the whole 15 min GCC timer, whether they engage in new criminal activities in that time or not. That's part of what allows hyperdunking to work lol.

Well they don't come into the target's house to bully... exploding a verticed spaceship isn't bullying.

More like I'd actually like to see more player interaction in highsec, rather than people ******* around with NPCs.



That's because you're still not paying attention.

As with any player vs player interaction, our difficulty level is directly proportional to the effort put in by the opposition.

Frequently, that effort amount is zero.

As for what's hard about being a ganker, neg ten is not a joke. It pretty much restricts you to flying a small handful of ships, all of which will be destroyed eventually. That's a hefty penalty, whether you think so or not, we simply choose to accept it and deal with it.




Risk is the potential for loss. Ganker's potential for loss is 100%, ergo their risk level is higher than anyone else's. But that's if you really want to get down to semantics, which is not the point here.



Forgive me if I don't believe you, certainly not after you've spent so much of this post ranting against ganking.

So you want nullsec... Why are people so averse to the idea that highsec might just not be for them? What you want exists, but it's not what highsec is.

lol, because you purposely pick people who will give the least resistance because you're a risk averse carebear.

Neg ten is easy considering you are intending to gank. Once you're done you can just push it back up. Unless of course you use and alt for ganks which it looks like you do, as do most others. And lol, yeah, you'll lose ships that are specifically picked out to be disposable. Such a big loss!

Kitten != lion

That's not all that matters though, is it? Or are you suggesting someone taking down an afk industrial ship is the same level of competence as someone taking down a decently fitted PvP ship piloted by an expert PvPer?

The mouse can't tell the difference. It's still being eaten either way.



Still with the strawman nonsense, you need to buy a new carebear playbook, yours is worn out.

I'm suggesting that knocking down an industrial ship is more competence than the indy player is showing. The better player won, and that's what upsets you the most.

Whichever way you swing it, it's still you being a carebear, picking only the easy mode gameplay.