EVE General Discussion

We had really good insurance...and it was not good. People blowing up BS just for profit.

Given things like SRP, I'm not inclined to return to the old days of insurance "scamming".

Also, lets not forget Malcanis' Law. Paraphrasing, any change to make the game better for new players invariable is of more benefit to the older more established players.

Make doctrine ships cheaper...you still have the relative disparity between the older/richer players vs. the newer/poorer players. And that is the problem the OP is pointing out. An older richer player will have more isk, resources, support to get doctrine ships. Cut the cost of all doctrine ships in half...this is still true. Cut the costs to a 10th, it is still true. Cut it to zero...that is only time it is no longer true [insert obligatory WoW reference here].

Make it easier to acquire ISK...how do you do that and not have the older players take advantage of it?

And is more ISK really what the Eve economy needs?

How about this: just make the game better. Trying to cater to a given subset of the player base may end up being counter productive and not get you where you want to go. But making the game better in general...that strikes me as kind of hard to argue with.

possible option.....

increase the amount of minerals mined... puts more minerals on market, means more ships, means price of ships go down and beome more affordable

or

tweak the amount of minerals required on T1 hulls to make them easier to produce and thus lowering prices and makeing more affordable (not realy necessary for frigs / destroyers... but could use some tweeking for cruisers and up)

This one would result in less miners and restabilise. Your second suggestion has more merit.

Purty please can i havez the same expensive toys as the older boyz without working for them mommy!

I 'worked' long and hard for my expensive T2/T3 ships dude, i suggest u get of your lazy ass and do the same.

It used to be that a scooter was the bread and butter for racing. Now a sports car is the staple. Screw those college kids, they should work like the rest of us!

Ideally, no ship is to supposed to be the end game ship. Granted, trying to balance a game as complex as Eve this is more of a "moving target". Look at a ship like the celestis, been in game since forever and can be a powerful adjunct to any fleet, whether it is is big block fleet fight, or a roaming gang type fight. T1 cruiser, granted, most powerful with T2 damps or top of the line T1 damps, but still a player can get into this ship pretty quick.

Further, training support skills while not "fun" is essential. One thing I've noticed with new players is they don't want to take the time to train these skills (especially to 5, which is where the guy with 100 million SP will have the bulk of his SP, that 2%, 4%, or even 5% bonus training skills to level V). When I point out that AWU V is very important the response is usually, "Meh, its such a long training time." Got very similar responses to training T2 large guns. Never mind you get more ammo choices and also an extra 8% damage which can be essential for breaking another ships tank/remote reps.

And I find it amusing that people are basically saying the following:

I'm upset that a guy who started playing the game 3,4 5 or more years longer than I who has more Lots™ SP and can do more. I demand you make it so I can do what they can do without the investment of time or money!

Want those SP, go to the character bazaar and buy a 85 million SP character...and lose to a player with a 40 million SP because they player is doing it the way the rest of have and actually knows how to play the game and can overcome the SP "wall" that people periodically whine about. I'll have been playing for 8 years this December. You want to jump ahead in terms of SP? Fine, go drop $400.00 on a character with 100 million SP. Oh...you don't think that sounds fair? I've spent over $1,100 paying for my subscription. Getting pretty much to the same point as me for $400 is a goddamned bargain.

No it doesn't, the ongoing re balancing of T1 hulls vastly improved the capabilities of newbros, the re balancing of modules provides new players with more options as meta 4 and below has improved balance. Newbros get access to a wider range of fits, as meta modules are more viable and they provide players with more choice over what they want to get out of their fits which also allows newbros to compensate for lower SP in core skills (low cap skills, get a meta module that uses less cap, poor agility, get lighter plates while still getting HP which isn't heavily gimped, and so on). While low end deadspace modules being cheap as hell allows newer players to get access to a sprinkling of bling on their favourite ships at an earlier stage. The increase in accessibility for isk faucets at an earlier stage helps with this.

Just because new high end hulls are being introduced, doesn't mean that there isn't ongoing work which improves the life of the newbro, yes the high end hulls are better, higher SP characters get more out of their ships, they have more isk to throw at blingier fits, but isn't that how it should be? That's how progression works, and I think we can all agree that the learning curve is no longer as extreme as it used to be.

Powercreep exists, yes, and it will always be there, but CCP have shown time and time again that they're perfectly capable of putting their foot down and shaking up the meta, while (sometimes going a bit too far) they aren't afraid to nerf hulls bit by bit until they're more inline, it just requires the community to point out the issues. So why don't you focus on communicating with CCP about those sorts of changes, rather than "Oh god guys newbros are screwed CCP better do something [insert vague description of doom in General Discussion because that's totally where features & ideas should be posted]".

Yeah... nope. The chances are that if the build costs go down, manufacturers will attempt to keep the prices artificially higher than the new build cost +x% so that they can make more profit; just as manufacturers do in the real world.

Never underestimate greed, or stupidity for that matter.

Teckos, I agree with you to some extent, hence I used the word attempt.

Where there is a lack of monopoly there will always be someone undercutting others, and cutting their own margin in the process. The day miners get together and start controlling mineral output for profit is the day that hell freezes over, it takes a special kind of organisation to do something as bold as monopolising raw materials, and miners are too self absorbed to do it.