Crime & Punishment

Today I talked to a miner who complained to me that CODE. ganks "the little guy" in Covetors, Retrievers, and Hulks, but barely bothers rich Skiff-piloting multiboxers, who invade Caldari ice belts in locust swarms.

Ganking is too easy, but we don't seem to be ganking miners well enough.

Well that is what you do in Osmon, you have one very active guy with two gank toons, and he knoews very well what he can take out and what he cannot. So most of the time he kills Coverters, Retrievers, Hulks and badly tanked Mackinaws with the odd industrial, Venture and mission runner thrown in. The thing is that Procurers and Skiffs when tanked need more DPS and therefore more of you to do it, and as you lot are concentrating on Freighter ganks then its only the easier mining ships that are getting dunked. I hope you told him to get in a Procurer and train for a Skiff, because that is what I would have told him and I hope you said that you do not have the manpower to step it up...

I also noticed that you tend to go after Charons first then Fenrirs and that is due to their lessor tanks, again this is because they are easier to kill and need less numbers, people are now putting resistance plates on the Obelisk and Providence which make them easier to save and more cost;ly.

In terms of the concept too easy, its true that you guys have been very organised and very good at it, however more and more people are ganking which is creating an inbalance in the game. Many people on our side feel that the penalties applied to the gankers are no deterrence at all, this is not so much a question of easy, but more to do with a balance that makes people think about whether to do this or not, this is why many of us suggest a slight adjustment to the penalties in hisec. Like many I am not against ganking as such, but I feel that the deterrence provided by the Empires and CONCORD are not enough to create the right balance in game.

Kaarous and people like him will now scream in rage and post banal rubbish in response, but the question is always about game balance. CCP are bad with this aspect, as I pointed out previously in many threads before the mining ships were buffed the best tank mining ship was the Hulk and that could be taken out by a single Catalyst and the pilot podded in a 0.8 system. Now people have the choice of using mining ships that can tank instead of all of them having the tank of a wet paper bag, I actually mine every so often because it enables me to be in a ship that is harder to kill.

Here, I'll just out w/ it. I think it would be super eve funny if CCP fooked with CODE. where CODE. had zero recourse. They would have to feel like the poor miner saps they wonk on day in and day. It would be even more super eve funny if CCP contrived some 'saviour of (fill in blank in creative roleplaying way)' and used that to justify taking a dump on CODE. operations.

It would just be funny. It would also be interesting to see if CODE. would then HTFU and keep going or just dissolve into the history books. I know where I would place my bets.

This is not NPC content where you can balance it by adjusting the loot table. This is player content that gets balanced by the game mechanics and this is what CCP is doing for over 12 years. They continuously nerfed ganking and the result is a more secure Highsec which in turn leads to fatter Freighters because people feel safe.

So if you think it is too rewarding to gank Freighters, wait until Highsec gets even safer. Go two years back and tell someone that carebears autopilot Freighters with 12B ISK on a daily basis and no one will believe you.

There will always be someone who steps up the game if you nerf ganking even more because at some point the Freighters will get so fat it will pay for the losses. But the more you nerf the more people will be required and you will have whole alliances centred around this fountain of wealth which is the careless carebear (this is already happening as you may have noticed).

The "balance" is where do you want to have that fat freighter ISK wise. Is 12bil ok or should it be more? Maybe you are happy if we kill only 100bil ISK Freighters? Or should we go back to 2bil ISK Freighters again and enable the whole Freighter ganking profession for smaller groups in the process.

can we have penalties for people who only do pve, more i think about the pve fatigue thread the more i think its actually a good idea, nerf all the things that people make stacks of isk doing

Sounds good to me. They're all for suggesting adding mechanical penalties to other people's professions(not to mention the only profession that has any to begin with anymore), so surely they'd be okay with having that argument pointed at them, right?

I mean, unless they're all colossal hypocrites, anyway.

So you missed the threads asking for concord to be removed or NPC corp players to be punished or booted after X months?

Even if this were the case, perhaps that's because a lot of the PvE mechanics are dull and have been for years, while piracy is pretty easy and there's far less to complain about. I rarely see people complaining about incursion income being terrible, that doesn't mean that other, worse income sources should be nerfed, does it?

incursions should create conflict by allowing sansha loyalists to engage incursion runner within incursion systems, simple really, i fixed incursions. thx, too much money and zero risk with incursions

but what actually gets implemented which benefit conflict within highsec or lowsec? everything is for more safety to the carebear, i dont think the activity itself should be nerfed more like the player...imagine players being nerfed so people had to switch from doing different things if they wanted to do pve because they exhausted missions, so they have to do mining or incursions, diversity instead of doing the same thing all day everyday and being greedy by gobbling up all the resources so other people cant get any.

its not really a fix and blah blah blah yes people will log off or have alts etc etc but they do that anyway.

and yes i missed the thread asking for concord to be removed as im busy replying to all these anti-gank threads