Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Since this topic heading seems to allow for everyone to offer up an idea, here's mine. What are the biggests beefs with the current war-dec system? Wars against industrial corps? Wars against industrial corps seem to be justified, as it is a war over ISK/resources/production etc. Wars against newbies? There's really no accepted justification for that, and we all know that PvPers that can't hack low & null-sec are the biggest abusers of the war-dec system against newbies. Presumably, the solution would be one in which industrials/POS owners can still be targeted, while newbies are partially shielded (obviously not completely shielded- they need to learn the risks associate with EVE).

How about a "mid-sec"? Let's make it 0.5-0.7. In this area, wars act exactly as they are now. POSes & ships are fair game, as long as both parties are in a war. Basically, it can be justified that CONCORD has authorized full-blown wars to be fought in these locations, as they are deemed to be difficult for them to control/monitor. CONCORD would only respond to conflicts fought outside of a declared war. Additionally, as the new "high-sec" has been deemed to be over-crowded, POSes are only allowed to be built in 0.7 systems and lower. In this new "high-sec" of 0.8 and up, CONCORD would NOT allow wars to be fought, again as these areas are overcrowded and home to the elite members of the various Empires. Additionally, asteroid belts would continue to be pretty crappy in high-sec (0.8 and up), with the more valuable minerals still in mid-sec and lower.

Additionally, war-declarations would still be applicable, even if the corp members (or the corp itself) jump to another corp (or alliance). The POSes owned by either party (the aggressors or the defenders) would still be fair-game through-out the duration of the war (however long the aggressor continues to pay). POS owners could still package up their POSes (if they get to it in time), but any POSes those members set up would still be vulnerable for the duration of the war. However, weekly fees for the war would grow significantly, with that expense enduring for the next war declaration. For instance, if corp A declares war on corp B, it would start out at 2 million for week one, then 10 million for the next week, then 50 million for the week afterwards. If corp A calls off the war after week two, it'd still cost them 50 million to declare war again against corp B (as it is effectively the 3rd week of war).

How does this help out newbies? 0.8 and up remains "relatively" safe (still vulnerable to suicide ganks and can-flippers). If they decide to travel through 0.7 space during a war, it's almost like a "lite" lowsec for them, in that they are target-able by the corp that declared war on them. Ultimately, the goal is to not give griefer corps what they want (which is, to inflate their killboard scores and boost their low self-esteem) and still allows the targeting of mega-industrials and POSes. Thoughts?

Hey hey! Thanks for joining the discussion, Nestara. Any thoughts on how to fix the current war-dec system?

No kms for highsec kills.

No.

Noob corp can just join the decshield alliance and wipe out the wardec, thus making wardecs pointless because in null most are NBSI and lowsec pirates are NBSI as well.

Whoever wants to be free from wardecs needs either to stay in npc corp, or make one man corp which will prolly never be wardecced unless he pisses off somebody.

Killboard really doesn't matter. What matters is pewpew itself and hilarious tears and nerdrage when someone loses something he couldn't afford to lose and cant take it as a man.

I tried to make a new thread about fixing wardecs but forum ate my post. I'll make it later when I have more time.

Concord invalidates War Declararation if target of WarDec is a corp comprised of not more than 4 players and/or no player in Corp has greater than ~3 Million SP.

All players with less than 400K SP are exempt from War.

War Declaration fees are paid daily, rather than weekly.

Rather than an ISK fee paid to Concord, War Declarations are handled by the SCC and monitored by Concord.

To declare war against another Corporation, the declaring corp must hold a Charter granted by the SCC. This Charter is permanent once aquired, but only applies to the Corp that signed for it. These items must be purchased by the Corp CEO from the SCC to be valid.

Every additional WarDec a corp wishes to make in the same period requires an ammendment to the current Charter made by the SCC, with the same cost requirements as the original Charter. Thus a Corp can only manage multiple WarDecs if the ammendments to their Charter allow for it.

Additional Ammendments for different purposes may be possible, such as restricted module use in High Security space, pod destruction, time reductions on war timers, (not sure if possible or downtime determines current timers; suspect the latter), ability to bring additional corporations into war, allowance for POS or other asset destruction etc...

Combined weight of Charter and Ammendments determines cost of WarDecs per day, paid to the SCC.

Corps holding a War Charter with the SCC will have such details listed in their basic details, and will have a branded logo amended to their Corp Logo indicating such.

-1 For at once stating that you are wardecing members.

Are you out of your frakking mind? That will cause income for CCP to drop like a rock when massive amounts of people just give up. Moving to another or alt corp is a valid mechanic to prevent wardecing from becoming a way to circumvent concord against an individual.

The rest I wont even bother to read.

Edit: The real fix for wardecs requires that said wardec not be a means to attack blindly in hisec but force the defending team to fight if they want to keep their isk incomes. And that penalties result for the attacking team if they lose the war.

In essence. Wars in hisec to make the area the same as low or nullsec will simply not work. However there are many ways to remove the benefit of hisec economically while a war is in motion. I would support a massive tax that goes into a pool that goes to the victor of the war. So that income made in hisec will go to the victor of the war. That way people may actually come for good fights if they arent going to be ganked halfway there.

I'm not sure what you mean here. I was listing possible changes to the WarDec system that could help to make it better, rather than describing the current situation.

If you mean the first line of my post, I was rather hesitant to put that in there, which is why I included the and/or clause. meaning both may be requirements to invalidate a WarDec. Overall, there can't be many reasons, or war just wouldn't happen outside of Nullsec.

It's not a must. Given my most recently added addendums, it may not be needed anyway. Granted, I still think it might be beneficial to have some way of preventing Newb griefing by Wardeccers, which is why I put it in there. Besides, a players blithering in local while being protected by an NPC corp is no less annoying, and certainly much less capable of being WarDec'd under the current system.

I don't think so really.

Simple means to eliminate a Dec Shield with my proposal: War cost is no longer relevent to current number of WarDecs; but rather, is a function of the charter held by a corporation.

A Charter may allow additional Corporations to be brought on board for a WarDec, but whether they are or not is irrelevent to the cost of the WarDec. Simply having the availability is what determines the cost.

A new Corp UI window would have to be constructed of course, which would cover the details of both War and Protection Charters, as well as potential other Charters. Costs may increase for a Corporation that has a Protection Charter should they be WarDec'd, etc.. It's not a perfect plan; it's just a plan.

Work with it as you will. I'm just giving suggestions that you may criticize, ammend in your own fashion, or find alternatives to as you like.

edit: Newbs can always be griefed, outside of their starter systems, and a WarDec isn't really a requirement.

Interesting to note is how both you Nestara and Endeavour define corporations as a collection of individuals rather then a collective group with a shared purpose. There already exists a mechanic ingame where players can safely remain individuals within an NPC corporation. When a corporation declares war against another it is against all members - these members by defination are no longer just separate individuals if they coexist under the same corporation they can group together to fight back - the fact that players can choose to leave the corporation at a time of war without repercussion shows a clear design fault with the current war system. This is why I've put forward the suggestion to change the very core system of war declarations by focusing on the players within the corporations rather then a Corp tag which can be changed at any time. Player corporations are by design not meant to be risk free when they come with the ability to setup and establish player owned stations and have the freedom to set their own taxes.

By the way it's great to see any discussion on changes to the war declaration system with feedback good or negative so I see no problem with others adding their own ideas to this thread.

No its not a matter of members, and you're not wardeccing members. When I leave my current corp, and join another, my allegiance will be to new corp, and I'll shoot at the people I now fleet with if need be, and I don't expect my current corpmates to show me any mercy either. If you have grievance with person and not a corp, I suppose suicide ganking will have to do.

Also, if a conflict exists between corps, that don't mean conflict exists between individuals as well. I suppose PL will always have a titan or two to spare for hotdrop to UNi at the first opportunity, but that don't prevent us from allowing some PL members in corp chat.