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Noragen Neirfallas

Emotional Net Loss

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#161 - 2015-07-20 13:15:52 UTC

I love RP when it's done right/fun. Needs just that right mix of your character and game facts without going too silly. Like Tisi from CODE. who I love to argue/support depending on their current relations with my current alliance Lol

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Noragen Neirfallas

Emotional Net Loss

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#162 - 2015-07-20 13:17:29 UTC

Vimsy Vortis wrote:

If you haven't had a dude formerly in a golem threaten to kill/**** you and/or your family while simultaneously telling you that you are a psychopath and child molester then you are delinquent on your ninja-ing and I suggest you go to osmon, simela or sheroo and get to probing.

Well the Apanake hub constellation is a regular hunting ground of mine. So is Lanngisi. I don't make it up to Osmon enough I will have to try it out

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Desk Averti

Averti Corporation

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#163 - 2015-07-20 16:51:06 UTC

Thats a lot of opinions....

Mine is that high sec gankers currently have it too easy.

There is no effective downside to their activity: losing a cheap ship is no great pain, and no pain at all if reimbursed, as practised by CODE; and low sec status is no great penalty if one has an alt for other activities.

The high sec ganker can currently sit in a high sec station and be brought out to kill a target scouted out by a high sec status alt, then left to be concorded. Its all too easy, and annoyingly far many eve players find this amusing.

Most things in Eve are difficult and its players mostly like it this way. Some of the many suggestions in this thread would make ganking a bit more difficult, such that gankers actually had to work the 'gf' they seem to think they deserve. Eve would be better for it.

Noragen Neirfallas

Emotional Net Loss

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#164 - 2015-07-20 17:08:01 UTC

Desk Averti wrote:

It takes far less people to prevent a gank then to commit a gank. Just saying. Also it takes equally cheap ships. Cheaper even. I'm unsure why the ag community struggle so much

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Serendipity Lost

Repo Industries

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#165 - 2015-07-20 17:09:19 UTC

Desk Averti wrote:

I'll agree that it's easy. It's just math. Concord response time, assumed tank (from ship scan) then figure the dps needed based on the time and tank.

Execution does take a bit of work. We use it for team building. It's a nice day trip, guys get to feel good about being bad. There are quite a few benefits for us. We only do it for one afternoon once in a great while. It's a nice change of pace.

If you're just rolling around in thrashers or cats wonking noobs in barges, then you can take out the math, the scanning and the teamwork. It's just lowskill meh gameplay. I don't care how much role play you spin it with.

I don't recommend harsher punnishment for gankers, I would recommend ccp put a new concord ship in each HS belt. The asteroid sentinel. Make it a quick locking cruiser that can easily handle up to 2 destroyers and prevent noob ganking right at the source - the asteroid belt.

Noragen Neirfallas

Emotional Net Loss

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#166 - 2015-07-20 17:14:00 UTC

Serendipity Lost wrote:

I don't recommend harsher punnishment for gankers, I would recommend ccp put a new concord ship in each HS belt. The asteroid sentinel. Make it a quick locking cruiser that can easily handle up to 2 destroyers and prevent noob ganking right at the source - the asteroid belt.

I don't reccomend harsher penalties but I would recommend harsher penalties

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Daerrol

Republic University

Minmatar Republic

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#167 - 2015-07-20 17:14:04 UTC | Edited by: Daerrol

can we stop the "Highsec is less safe than Null" bullcrap? Please? Just because Jita-Perimeter gate is more dangerous to badly fit haulers than backwater Venal does not make this true.

Edit: Going to fix your post:

Silent Renegade wrote:

At this point in time, Backwater ass no-where/Blue Coalition Territory NullSec is a far safer place to fly than any of the main and most populated, active HighSec trade routes, and CCP are blatantly guilty of creating this situation.

Serendipity Lost

Repo Industries

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#168 - 2015-07-20 17:19:28 UTC

Noragen Neirfallas wrote:

Serendipity Lost wrote:

I don't reccomend harsher penalties but I would recommend harsher penalties

Your point is valid. My point is make it harsher for noob wonkin barge belt bonkers but leave it alone for folks like me who gank expensive mission cream puffs. It will get to the root of this ganking problem and leave the glorious part alone.

Freya Sertan

Doomheim

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#169 - 2015-07-20 17:37:38 UTC

Serendipity Lost wrote:

Noragen Neirfallas wrote:

Serendipity Lost wrote:

I don't reccomend harsher penalties but I would recommend harsher penalties

This assumes ganking is a problem, which CCP has said is not. So, there is no "problem" to solve.

New Eden isn't nice. It isn't friendly. It isn't very hospitiable. Good thing there are people here to shoot in the face.

Want to make New Eden a nice place? Try this out.

Serendipity Lost

Repo Industries

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#170 - 2015-07-20 18:25:53 UTC

Freya Sertan wrote:

Serendipity Lost wrote:

Noragen Neirfallas wrote:

Serendipity Lost wrote:

I don't reccomend harsher penalties but I would recommend harsher penalties

This assumes ganking is a problem, which CCP has said is not. So, there is no "problem" to solve.

'CCP has said is not' ASSUMES CCP is always correct. Are you saying CCP is always correct, or are they correct as long as they agree with your point of view?

It's interesting that the folks who claim CCP was is and was wrong for nerfing HS one minute are standing on CCPs unerring claims the next.

Here, I'll just out w/ it. I think it would be super eve funny if CCP fooked with CODE. where CODE. had zero recourse. They would have to feel like the poor miner saps they wonk on day in and day. It would be even more super eve funny if CCP contrived some 'saviour of (fill in blank in creative roleplaying way)' and used that to justify taking a dump on CODE. operations.

It would just be funny. It would also be interesting to see if CODE. would then HTFU and keep going or just dissolve into the history books. I know where I would place my bets.

Mag's

Azn Empire

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#171 - 2015-07-20 18:35:04 UTC | Edited by: Mag's

Tears.
Not interested per se. But if you're so angry and upset and to give them, then why is this my problem? If your attitude is poor and you start vile name calling, sexual or racial slurs, then damn right I'll laugh at you.
The funny thing is, there are often times when the victim is pretty cool about it. I have given ISK along with advice in the past, when having those chats.

Gankers are bullies.
Ridiculous statement to make and you really need to grow up.

Ganking is too easy.
Being proficient at something, doesn't mean it's too easy. But many will never accept this and will ask:
"Just one more nerf and it will be balance."
Trouble is, most will never stop asking.

Tools currently available.
There are plenty of tools currently available, to counter gankers. But these may require a little effort and a few friends. You'll find these ideas given freely in many threads like these, by those supposed evil gankers.

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.

Jonah Gravenstein

Machiavellian Space Bastards

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#172 - 2015-07-20 19:23:41 UTC

Mag's wrote:

Tools currently available.
There are plenty of tools currently available, to counter gankers. But these may require a little effort and a few friends. You'll find these ideas given freely in many threads like these, by those supposed evil gankers.

Obligatory "but my yield/cargo space", "I should be able to..", "why should I?" comments

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Feyd's Survival Pack

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Baaldor School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State Likes received: 486	#173 - 2015-07-20 21:47:02 UTC Wait hold on, so how does this work, the OP comes by drops a deuce of a thread, (only thread or post made it appears) and vanishes leaving us with this abortion of a topic?

Kaarous Aldurald

Black Hydra Consortium.

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#174 - 2015-07-20 21:48:01 UTC | Edited by: Kaarous Aldurald

Desk Averti wrote:

Mine is that high sec gankers currently have it too easy.

The difficulty of our actions is directly proportional to the amount of effort that carebears put in to play the game.

Afk and autopilot is zero effort, so quite naturally it's relatively easy to kill them.

In a related note, our reward is also directly proportional to the greed of carebears.

Their problems stem from their (in)actions, not ours. Nothing should be nerfed just because you're bad at the game.

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Most things in Eve are difficult and its players mostly like it this way.

Most things in EVE are only difficult as a result of player actions. Without other people, EVE would be very easy indeed. That goes double for highsec.

What you want is for our game to be made harder(when we alone have a playstyle that has mechanical consequences), and yours immensely easier. Without ganking, there is no risk to NPC corps whatsoever.

Highsec is not supposed to be safe. Deal with it.

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One of ours, ten of theirs.

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Doomheim 550
Renegade Heart Doomheim Likes received: 550	#175 - 2015-07-20 22:13:53 UTC Baaldor wrote: Wait hold on, so how does this work, the OP comes by drops a deuce of a thread, (only thread or post made it appears) and vanishes leaving us with this abortion of a topic? I think OP is some kind of master bread roll baker.

Capt Starfox

GoonWaffe

Goonswarm Federation

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#176 - 2015-07-20 23:02:57 UTC

Dracvlad wrote:

So you don't believe in watching how the enemy operates before jumping in, and in any case kills are only denoting that you shot something, yesterday I saved a freighter from Globby and I was FC'ing the fleet that saved it, did not get a kill then either....

You've already jumped in.

I am more of the player who does indeed 'jumps in'; to me it's just more fun that way. Yes, I die a lot, but it's fun deaths. Blink

Dracvlad wrote:

Miners have the ability to jump into a Skiff that can be tanked so well that they will not be bothered unless they are someone that the gankers really want to kill.

Definitely! They also have a few other strategies that can help as well, most don't bother with it though.

Dracvlad wrote:

I played a PBM game called the Hunting in the 80's, was a brutal game and there is a tragedy around it, you know nothing ...

Before my time, but sounds like an interesting game. What was it about?

Abandon all hope ye who x up in fleet

New Order Logistics CODE. 815
John E Normus New Order Logistics CODE. Likes received: 815	#177 - 2015-07-20 23:57:26 UTC 1 Starfox, do you even gank anymore? Between Ignorance and Wisdom

Salah ad-Din al-Jawahiri

Dreamweb Industries

Novus Ordo.

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#178 - 2015-07-21 00:27:41 UTC | Edited by: Salah ad-Din al-Jawahiri

Today I talked to a miner who complained to me that CODE. ganks "the little guy" in Covetors, Retrievers, and Hulks, but barely bothers rich Skiff-piloting multiboxers, who invade Caldari ice belts in locust swarms.

Ganking is too easy, but we don't seem to be ganking miners well enough.

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