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Jenshae Chiroptera
#21 - 2015-07-20 14:06:06 UTC
Daerrol wrote:
.. All T1 logi are -great- ...
Check how squishy the armour ones are now that plate modules have changed.

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.
Anthar Thebess
#22 - 2015-07-20 14:07:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Anthar Thebess
T1 cruisers are worthless , like faction ones.
Lack of T2 resist makes them easy targets.
Like stated before - if flying logistic ship was fun thing to do all people in fleet would fly only them.

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Crest Zah Donartal
Bluenose Corporation
#23 - 2015-07-20 14:16:11 UTC
Just for say:

CCP is not driving the economy, players do it.....
players drives prices higher and higher...
the same stupid greed as in real economy.
Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
#24 - 2015-07-20 14:18:49 UTC
Daerrol wrote:
Tech 1 Cruisers are crazy powerful right now. Pick one ship of the following list: Mallers, Caracals, Moas, Vexor, Thorax. If you cannot make a strong fleet with those ships the problem is with the FC and the gang members, not the ship. I think a bigger issue is no minmatar ships qualify for that list. These ships run about 25-30 million with insurance value around 10 million.

Want to up the ante and get a faction cruiser (~60 million). Vexor Navy, Augoror Navy, Omen Navy, Scythe Fleet are all extremely powerful ships in their own right, totally capable of competing with many T2 ships, and with a numeric advantage more than able for fending off T3's.

Support Cruisers: All T1 logi are -great- Most T1 ewar ships are great, though I'd give special mention to the Arby and the Gallente one. These are super cheap since they have few Tech 2 components and can often be fit as low at 15-20 million. If a nullbro needs ISK he can make that in an hour salvaging behind his dual boxing buddy.


Edit: yes prices have risen but it's much easier for a newbro to get isk. Within 3 months you can be doing incursions, one of the highest Income generators in the game. There are tons of groups that will suport new bros. WH Salvaging, Null Anom salvaging, to say the least. I've also seen newbros in low-end ships brought into 4/10+ DED complexes and given a share of the loot. Furthermore, with the rise in prices, things like mining, DED farming, selling loot, etc is ALSO worth more. Beyond there, is a wealth of information on how to fit ships and optimize mission times, so you can get into serious income generatino earlier, along with skill plans and high PLEX prices to allow a newbro to instantly get billions of isk for only 30 USD.


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Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#25 - 2015-07-20 14:28:02 UTC
Anthar Thebess wrote:
T1 cruisers are worthless , like faction ones.
Lack of T2 resist makes them easy targets.
Like stated before - if flying logistic ship was fun thing to do all people in fleet would fly only them.


This post demonstrates a delusional and self interested outlook. you aren't concerned about 'new players', you simply don't like having to make isk or buy plex to fly what you want, despite the fact that isk making is easier now than at ANY point in EVE's history.

Thinking that CCP should somehow intervene in a player run market because if your personal issues (ie disliking having to make isk) is dumb.
Anthar Thebess
#26 - 2015-07-20 14:34:04 UTC
I have no problem in making isk.
Simply i state the obvious - there is to big gap between T1 Cruisers and T2/T3/Faction Battleships.
They have good dps in some cases, but lack range , ehp and other stuff.

Yes you can have Caracal having range similar to Cerberus ( just to keep with the current meta) but buffor on this caracal is so low that it will be instantly blasted out of the field.

Battle cruiser buffor is much better , but those ships where hit to hard to many times.

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Captain Awkward
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#27 - 2015-07-20 14:39:34 UTC
Crest Zah Donartal wrote:
Just for say:

CCP is not driving the economy, players do it.....
players drives prices higher and higher...
the same stupid greed as in real economy.


Of course CCP drives the economy. CCP defines how mutch ore spawns. How mutch can be mined per hour. How mutch minerals are needed to build a ship.

They also control how mutch fresh ISK is flodded into to market.

It may be true that a BC was woth mutch less 10 years ago. But it also took longer to get that mutch ISK.
Angelica Dreamstar
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2015-07-20 15:28:24 UTC
Captain Awkward wrote:
Crest Zah Donartal wrote:
Just for say:

CCP is not driving the economy, players do it.....
players drives prices higher and higher...
the same stupid greed as in real economy.


Of course CCP drives the economy. CCP defines how mutch ore spawns. How mutch can be mined per hour. How mutch minerals are needed to build a ship.

They also control how mutch fresh ISK is flodded into to market.

It may be true that a BC was woth mutch less 10 years ago. But it also took longer to get that mutch ISK.

Your english is pretty fine, but the word you want to use instead, is "much".

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Jack Morrison
Team Liquid crp.
#29 - 2015-07-20 15:45:47 UTC
-the issue is not ISK/income
-the issue is not the grammar
-the issue IS your inability to find a solution for a problem you created in your head
-the issue IS you think everyone is entitled to play for free (aka plex his account) and have plenty of isk left for replacing one's ships

Example - sure t1 hero tackle lastas seconds, but teach teh guy how to report intel properly (+1 / -1 scout) and you have more than just a valuable contributor to any fleet + the role is pretty independent on how much SP he has

Looking for a group to pew with ? Have a chat with me.
Seven Koskanaiken
Shadow Legions.
SONS of BANE
#30 - 2015-07-20 16:00:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Seven Koskanaiken
"I just want to fly space ships"
"Cool, T1 are cheap and easily replaceable"
"But I don't want to fly T1"
"Well you can join a group that flies T2"
"But I can't afford T2"
"Well, they might not turn down a T1 logi"
"I don't want to fly logi"
"OK, then join a group with full SRP coverage for T2"
"But I don't want to join one of those groups"
"Then you'll have to be self sufficient"
"But I don't want to be self sufficient"
"Then stick to T1"
"But I don't want to fly T1....."

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Iain Cariaba
#31 - 2015-07-20 16:23:06 UTC
Escalated play costs? It's cost US$15 a month per account for at least the 10 years I've been playing. Did it go up in the last couple days?

Everything else is in the hands of the players, and rightly out of CCP's hands.
Stitch Kaneland
The Tuskers
The Tuskers Co.
#32 - 2015-07-20 16:44:22 UTC
Idk OP. I came from drake fleet times, when i made 6b in drone lands in a few months. I went out to nul recentlyl for about 2 weeks with a t2 fit arty maelstrom and farmed a couple hours a night. Was able to generate a bill pretty easily in the time frame i had. If i didnt hate isk grinding through anoms, i could have probably managed a couple bill no problem.

Then i realized null at the time was stagnant and a series of repetitive structure grinds. Came back to FW and i can PvP AND make isk at the same time. That is how i view FW. If YOU really want cheap fights and get out of anom farming join FW. Yes you can cap plexes that take 20min, but in that time you will most likely get a fight. Something far more entertaining than sitting in an anom for 20min.

T1 are also still quite capable if you know what youre doing. Also, not all t2 ships are 200m. AF are dirt cheap and still perform well against anything except t3d. Then you have inties, which are also cheap and effective. Hell, even my fully t2 fit muninn is like 160m total cost. Take 40m off from insurance and its around 120m fitted.

Then you have t1 bcs and BS which are also very affordable thanks to high insurance payouts. A t1 phoon costs 60-80m fitted after insurance. I would assume geddons/domis and more are similar. Hurricanes/drakes cost me 20-30m.plus since im in FW, fleet issue ships are only an extra 10-20m over the cost of T1 AND still get good insurance payout.

There are plenty of options available to get cheap pvp that dont take long to make the isk.

Give Battlecruisers range to fullfil their Anti-Cruiser role - OP SUCCESS

Make the Muninn great again!
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#33 - 2015-07-20 16:44:59 UTC
Seven Koskanaiken wrote:
"I just want to fly space ships"
"Cool, T1 are cheap and easily replaceable"
"But I don't want to fly T1"
"Well you can join a group that flies T2"
"But I can't afford T2"
"Well, they might not turn down a T1 logi"
"I don't want to fly logi"
"OK, then join a group with full SRP coverage for T2"
"But I don't want to join one of those groups"
"Then you'll have to be self sufficient"
"But I don't want to be self sufficient"
"Then stick to T1"
"But I don't want to fly T1....."

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/_UzGgIz52YU/maxresdefault.jpg


It was then that Seven Koskanaiken realized that he's done something incredible. He, in one post, described EVERY whine post in the history of not only EVE Online General Discussion, but the Internet in general.
SFM Hobb3s
Perkone
Caldari State
#34 - 2015-07-20 16:56:52 UTC  |  Edited by: SFM Hobb3s
Because everyone appears to be risk averse, and because certain GRRReifers absolutely want their blobs to be able to destroy outposts, OP argument will likely soon be moot. Soon the inventory of nullsec outposts will match the emptiness of most null systems.
You will soon see a point where there are no markets in null, and alliance members in outposts used for alliance staging will have only one or two doctrine ships stored for use, which means everyone is going to be extremely wary about undocking at all.
There will be no more roaming for fun, and no more defense fleets. It will be stratops and stratops alone.


I imagine the supply of ships in hisec will increase exponentially as a result, and we all know what happens to prices when there is too much supply.
Nat Silverguard
Aideron Robotics
Aideron Robotics.
#35 - 2015-07-20 16:57:59 UTC
Anthar Thebess wrote:
It is not about using best stuff - nerfs to one hulls, changes and boost to other driven hull meta to much.
We are constantly moving it higher and higher - this hurts new players the most, and put to big pressure on their wallets.

T2 HAC and fitting close now around 260mil - when i started to play this game for 260mil i could die in 20 battle cruisers in the same price tag.
When i tell this to new recruits i always hear "dam this game was fun then"

This topic is to remind to CCP that eve is not about farming , but about flying , killing and dying when the odds are bad.
Each time there is significant boost to not T1 hull , this game is becoming more and more expensive for new players.





please check-out my killboard. given that im a relative newb, check my statistics and you'll see that, all i use are T1 frigates, destroyers and cruisers.

so i don't know what you're talking about. What?

Just Add Water
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#36 - 2015-07-20 17:19:28 UTC
CCP, I (request / DEMAND) that you regulate ((select all that apply) the player driven market, alliance ship/fitting doctrines, Ship Replacement Fund payouts, player state of mind, player expectations, player interactions, free will). Failure to do so will cause (me/my friends/new players/existing players) to (unsub/seriously consider playing less of) my (#) of accounts that I may or may not have paid (#) of (currency) for over (#) of (time measurement).




Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
#37 - 2015-07-20 17:30:04 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
CCP, I (request / DEMAND) that you regulate ((select all that apply) the player driven market, alliance ship/fitting doctrines, Ship Replacement Fund payouts, player state of mind, player expectations, player interactions, free will). Failure to do so will cause (me/my friends/new players/existing players) to (unsub/seriously consider playing less of) my (#) of accounts that I may or may not have paid (#) of (currency) for over (#) of (time measurement).







I also want cake and ice cream!

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Baaldor
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#38 - 2015-07-20 18:26:04 UTC
Anthar Thebess wrote:
T1 cruisers are worthless , like faction ones.
Lack of T2 resist makes them easy targets.
Like stated before - if flying logistic ship was fun thing to do all people in fleet would fly only them.


What?!Shocked

I think you are mistaken sir.


Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#39 - 2015-07-20 18:30:28 UTC
Kimmi Chan wrote:
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
CCP, I (request / DEMAND) that you regulate ((select all that apply) the player driven market, alliance ship/fitting doctrines, Ship Replacement Fund payouts, player state of mind, player expectations, player interactions, free will). Failure to do so will cause (me/my friends/new players/existing players) to (unsub/seriously consider playing less of) my (#) of accounts that I may or may not have paid (#) of (currency) for over (#) of (time measurement).

I also want cake and ice cream!

Now you're just being unreasonable.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Pax Deltari
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#40 - 2015-07-20 18:55:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Pax Deltari
I don't understand this thread. Gila's are great and only like 300-350mil with fittings.
Anti Support cruisers like the caracal and vexor are like 50 mil to fit and destroy frigates in FW space. You don't need god skills to good with either.

I mean if there is a problem it's people not knowing how to fit their ship or using trash battleclinic fits *shiver*

Hell rail Thoraxes are pretty great right now as well especially if you have a buddy in a Maulus... Or a Griffin..

Seriously what's the problem here.
If it's blobs -> Learn to fly kite ships.
If it's certain ships are strong -> Don't engage those.
If you're bad -> Get better scrub. Train Solo/Small Gang PvP to V

Anthar Thebess wrote:
I have no problem in making isk.
Simply i state the obvious - there is to big gap between T1 Cruisers and T2/T3/Faction Battleships.
They have good dps in some cases, but lack range , ehp and other stuff.


T1 Cruisers are weaker than T2 Cruisers and T3 Cruisers and Faction battleships? No ****. They're meant to take out other T1 Cruisers and anything Frigate sized. If you see T2/T3 on the field just pop a few frigates and get out before you're caught. MWD + Nanofibers.