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A Message Regarding "Hyperdunking"

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Gimme Da Loot
#1801 - 2015-07-20 16:31:06 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
Surely it's fairly simple? Those that oppose hyperdunking want the 15 minute timer imposed by concord to act as a barrier between criminal acts should actually be 15 minutes and shouldn't be able to be bypassed by boarding ships in space. Hyperdunking removes the downside of having the criminal timer (in fact the criminal timer actually helps), means that only one character needs to lose sec status and allows gankers to leverage what is effectively unlimited damage for a single gank.

I get it though, you want to keep in as many methods of keeping your playstyle easy and low risk because you oppose challenge and risk in EVE. Carebear.


I've said it before and I'll repeat it,
You want to remove a tactic that:

-can be stopped by all the standard forms of stopping ganking (haul less, have a webber, scout a system)
-takes 20 minutes to accomplish
-is stopped by ONE person or player with an hour of skill training
-a huge community of players actively protects against without charging a fee, and are proactively camping people who do it into stations
-punishes (by a vast majority) AFK, or logged off players, and rewards proactive and attentive piloting
-is really hard to pull off, and takes a minimum of four players against a single freighter
-before the damage even comes in, it takes a considerable amount of time bumping a freighter away from gate guns

Seriously, I haven't seen such an outcry over nothing. I haven't been able to get a single kill in the longest time because there are people camping me 24/7. Ask Dracvlad, he was there with 25 guys a couple days ago, even though it only takes one. If you can't get a guy in a bantam to you in 30 minutes as you slowly get bumped away and die (or ask the anti-ganking community who will be there quickly and do it for free) then I don't know that to tell you.


As for your first points, I will go at them one at a time.
1) It obviously isn't, because CCP has stated otherwise.
2) Security status loss doesn't matter, we're -10.0 already
3) If by unlimited damage, you mean unlimited damage over time, then yes, but so does having a regular fleet gank something every 15 minutes are up. If given infinite time, of course you'd get infinite damage.
4) Hyperdunking is the highest risk activity I do, I'm risking 600 million in bombers and hours of my time looking for a target, which can be ruined by A SINGLE BANTAM; On top of being able to be prevented by following the classic rules of freighter usage, such as scouting, hauling less, webbing, and paying attention.
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#1802 - 2015-07-20 16:47:52 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
Ludi Burek wrote:
CCP has said their piece. Read over it again and follow their process of thought why this is ok. All you are arguing now is your skewed perspective of what is right. This is addressed to all the cry babies.

Also, pls just admit, "too easy" always means should not be possible at all.

Also, the mean ganker is using at least one alt. It's not one character being overpowered over your one character. It would work the same as different people using one character each. Since the ganker is using multiple characters to pull this off, it is unreasonable in your eyes that you may just need to use an alt to counter? It is more balanced in your eyes that your lone afk machine be artificially protected?

And finally arguing that counters don't work just shows you and the people it failed for are bad. You think only full time clueless bears are freighter owners? Mate pretty much everyone has a freighter alt these days who are not dying to this and they are proof that "hyperdunking" is Darwinism at its best.


That was a rant!

Waits for ISD to come in, notes that crickets are chirping..., the reason is that this rant is the accepted wisdom on Eve forums so it will not be exterminated as a rant, because its Eve forums wisdom, notices crickets chirping again.

I wonder when this rant will be removed, I bet my post here will be and yours will be left...

Reported because rant


Ah but I did not report his post as a rant, thanks for confirming something else to me...




Yep. Confirmed.

Very "SJW-ish" of CODE. Poor babies.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#1803 - 2015-07-20 16:52:42 UTC
As the topic of hyperdunking has been discussed and the thread is now devolving into off topic posts and discussion of moderation, I'm closing it.

Good talk everyone.

ISD Dorrim Barstorlode

Senior Lead

Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)

Interstellar Services Department