EVE General Discussion

Post will not be about high PLEX prices , how much you can get from running incursion, WH capital escalations , farming FW or lvl 5 missions.
Income is important.
CCP proved this by boosting nullsec anomalies spawns.

I thing that and many decisions before where wrong.
CCP should work not about providing new and bigger sources of income, but about making game less demanding in terms of entry level.

Over the years , we shifted from T1 battle cruisers to T2/T3 and Faction ships.
For older players this is acceptable , they are managing , but as much they are important to game, in long term they are ones that getting bored and leave the game.

New players , the guys who are the "next generation" have hard times to buy and replace ships required for current fleet meta.
Those people instead of having fun, flying around killing and dieing need to constantly farm to get more and more isk.

We need to end this circle of nonsense, well as a players we cannot do nothing, but if you provide enough support maybe someone in CCP finally understand that EVE is not about how many ISK / Plex you can get for hour , but how many SHIPS you can buy for hour of boring farming .

Making more , and easier ways to get isk is not the way.
Best thing is brining old battle cruisers back to life.

Why those ships where so important?
I still remember my "young" days - i could loose 5 battle cruisers and close my total lose in 100mil ( insurance is nice on T1 ships)
Now new people (also to eve ) that i get to a corp are opening eyes when looking on base ships people are flying.
Months of training for entry level , and at least 1.5bil to get basic hull set.

TL;DR
- CCP don't boost way people can make isk but focus of reducing entry cost level for current doctrine meta
- CCP EVE is not ISK/Plex per hour , but doctrine SHIPS per hour.
- Bring back battle cruisers (hard , as they are to easy target for T3 destroyers, interceptors)
- Older players can manage current ship cost , and have skills , but your actions lead that new players will not have any of it fast enough to enjoy this game

This is for CCP to decide, as we can only wish.
My wish is , that when i find a new player i can tell him, train this ship , this will be 2 weeks - after this you can join most fleets and roams.

Sorry but logistic ships don't count.
If they where so fun to fly , we would have problem in finding DPS people.

New people need to have fun, they need to learn a lot , but if we want to keep them in game they need FUN.

It takes less than that for new players to train into a cheap t1 tackle frigate, which are great fun to fly and alot of corps will just hand these out for free.

a t1 cruiser fit wouldn't take longer than 2 weeks either

I lasted longer than some of the bigger ships, long enough to have fun and learn.
If you're in a corp that won't let you fly a t1 variant in the fleet and that bothers you, then join a corp that does?

I think you're missing the point of the t2 and t3 ships, they're supposed to take a while to train into and buy.
You wouldnt jump into any other MMO and expect to use all the highest level shiny gear at lvl 1.

CCP might believe giving them more ways to make isk will make the space worth living, but it won't. People afk in ishtars, which means CCP promotes their afk gameplay. What CCP is missing is that these people do not WANT to live in that space.

I agree with too much isk being made too easy in general. Everyone who whines about how expensive everything is, is probably a part of the greed problem. Too many only care about money and having it as easy as possible. If that's the target dience, combined with the reddit filth, then this game is lost already.

Goons are renting away their space, btw. Now wonder why!

not really, "stupid" turning up to a armour cruiser fleet in a caracal is probably going to get you booted from most organised fleets

No, they son't. This target audience only cares about fun itself. Do you even know this game? The fun crowd is the same crowd constantky farming isk, constantly only logging in for pings and constantly whining on the forums about how hard the game is.

No, this game should not bring more fun, but more DEPTH!!

Joys of power creep and the effect it has on newbies. Yay.

Drones did not always have damage mods.

From cruisers.

To cruiser, drones, destroyers and interceptors


I remember the days when T1 frigate swarms could actually go out and do something, much like interceptor and T3 destroyer fleets do now.

It is not about using best stuff - nerfs to one hulls, changes and boost to other driven hull meta to much.
We are constantly moving it higher and higher - this hurts new players the most, and put to big pressure on their wallets.

T2 HAC and fitting close now around 260mil - when i started to play this game for 260mil i could die in 20 battle cruisers in the same price tag.
When i tell this to new recruits i always hear "dam this game was fun then"

This topic is to remind to CCP that eve is not about farming , but about flying , killing and dying when the odds are bad.
Each time there is significant boost to not T1 hull , this game is becoming more and more expensive for new players.