Warfare & Tactics

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Removing OGB would destroy many types of pvp we currently have.

Yes. Using OGB to blob and grief poor people is bad, but it's called "Know your enemy" ! So learn about your enemy and stop making useless forum posts.

Removing OGB and putting links on grid will make one effect and one effect only, BLOB vs. BLOB. Not just fleet with links but as well in small gang pvp!

Why would you engage 7 pilots if you have just 3-4 ? some of us can, but think about not so skilled pvpers, they will end up not fighting or will call for more people and their enemy will end up getting blobed.

let me put it in simple way, removing OGB will affect this:
- fighting outnumbered will eventually disappear
- change is favor to BIG guys, those who fields more will win

Good solution is to remove link ships from gates/station, make suspect or weapon timer. Link ship will have to move to dangerous safe spot.
Second option is to implement distance check, so that links cannot be activated directly at gates or stations.

Don't agree with most of this.

"know your enemy" ... the problem is in lowsec most pvpers have them now, meaning you need them to even be in a position to compete. Before anyone says go to nullsec, it's too time consuming to find engagable fights.

Secondly removing them wouldn't come close to ending fighting outnumbered. The off or on grid arguments have legitimate points on either side but saying it would end fighting outnumbered is a massive exageration.

To be honest most people that I come across don't even use them to take on difficult targets, it's just a tool for making a "1v1" lobsided in favour of the linked character. If I saw a more aggresive attitude from users of links I wouldn't have such a problem with them, it's the risk averse nature of the community which makes me really hate them. Which explains why the majority of link users choose skirmish links so they can avoid commiting to fights and all of a sudden incredibly poor pilots are capable of kiting effectively.

I do like the idea on on grid boosting, but one thing I have noticed is that boosts really exaggerate already powerful bonuses due to it being a multiplier. One glaring example is a Garmur with a faction point.

Maybe a change would be a flat amount (at least on some of the boost). This would be a buff for non-bonused ships and a nerf for bonused ships. I guess one area that has to stay multiplicative is velocity, purely due to the nature of it.

I know this has been mentioned...but seriously get logi and boosts onto killmails.

FTFY.

I think all newish players already do and always have realised that they will struggle against a much older player on a 1v1 level.

Hopefully people join eve for the larger fights where even an atron can make a difference as per recent CCP marketing.

I think you will find that the vast majority of boosts are used at a gang/fleet level.

Fixing boosts to be 'fairer' for the small number of trusoloers out there to the detriment of a much larger number of people seems like a stupid proposition.

Sure, I'm not wanting a fix that doesn't work for fleets too. It's better if alpha fleets or large gangs can't volley smaller gangs off field.

But there is definately a better solution than what we have now where it works for fleets and not much thought has been given to smaller gangs and solo, particularly in low-sec. I don't know why you seem to think it has to be one extreme or the other?

Even if you were to force them on grid which I'm not expecting it doesn't hurt as many people as you're suggesting. Most fleets would be fine with that as long as everybody was bound by the same restriction.

It's just a pity in my opinion that if you want to compete in lowsec that you are required to have them now because so many of the people you will be fighting have them and that there's no counter to them.

Maybe in the future we could see areas of the game where they don't work or something so noobs/people that don't like them/ those that want to single box can still play. Maybe FW complex's being immune from link support or something which isn't unreasonable anyway considering some sites are supposed to be frig and destroyer hulls only.

Lots of fleet tactics require links to be effective even in a FW plex.

And having links on grid will certainly always favor the stronger side. Killing links would be like taking the bottom card from a card pyramid.

What you will end up with is an increase in the number of logistics, alpha fleets and blue balling the larger entities who will be in even less danger on field than they are now.

All so you can fix pvp for a few dozen whiney pilots who make an arbitrary decision to solo and yet feel entitled to fairness rather than any responsibility to make things fairer through their actions.

So links will always favor the stronger side, but larger fleets without them will be in less danger somehow. And removing them would invalidate fleet compositions, but we would see more logi and more high alpha comps.

I'm not saying you're wrong, but contradicting yourself from sentence to sentence doesn't help you make your case.

Moreover all fleet comps would still be viable exactly as they are now. Only difference is the links would have to be on grid and/or at risk, depending on the solution used. They aren't being removed.

Im not sure what you disagree with, but on the basis that you have 2 kills in your eve life i can only assure you that these projections are very likely.

Ironic. Using a forum alt to complain about a booster alt.