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[Amarr] Empress Jamyl Sarum's Appearance and Blessing

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Samira Kernher
Cail Avetatu
#21 - 2015-07-19 12:50:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Samira Kernher
Haruchai Khan wrote:
"It is deeply disappointing that the Empress chose to publicly endorse the illegal activities of the 24th Crusade in the borderlands. We further express unease at the casual language used to characterise the Minmatar Republic and our leader, the Sanmatar, as 'warmongers'.


The Republic assaulted CONCORD and Amarr in violation of interstellar treaties, and you're saying we are the ones acting illegally? Lol. If you don't like the war, then your government shouldn't have started it.

You should also do some research on the laws that govern the war's prosecution.

Quattras Peione wrote:
I am no enemy of the Amarrian people, Ms. Kernher. Nor am I an enemy of God. I am only an enemy of the Imperial Throne insomuch as it, as any other such office, seeks to impose its will at the expense and exclusion of others.


To be an enemy of the Imperial Throne is to be an enemy of God and Amarr, for Her Imperial Majesty speaks with the Voice of God and Amarr is the Empire of God.

To attack the head of the body is to attack the entire body. Do not speak of the Divine. You've demonstrated you lack all faith and respect for it.

The Lord our God gave the Emperor of Amarr the power to harness the Good and punish the Evil. Not you.
Sinjin Mokk
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#22 - 2015-07-19 12:59:32 UTC
It was indeed an honor to see the Empress, in person, piloting an Avatar in formation.

Piloting an Avatar...from a pod.

Being a Capsuleer pretty much necessitates a clone. It's in all the basic literature on the history of the pod and cloning.

But being a clone would mean...


Now let's pause a second. Breathe. Continue.


There is no doubt as to her status. But people say this goes against Scripture, that this would invalidate her ascension.

No. The Council was more than happy to look the other way when it came to Khanid II's departure from the Empire and sanctioned his eventual "return." Scripture evolves as does our understanding of it. Paradigms shift and our understanding of God's Plan shifts with it.

So what is more believable? Can it be that there was some mystical event that brought Jamyl Sarum back from the dead that allows her to fly an Avatar as a Capsuleer without actually being one? Or is it the case that she's a clone, a Capsuleer true like all of us and just that powerful that the Council was willing to let it slide for the good of the Empire?

I think it's pretty apparent what the truth of the situation is. Jamyl Sarum is a clone, a Capsuleer and God has indicated his Blessing on her. I am perfectly comfortable with her status as one of us. This does not change my faith one iota and in fact, I am pleased to see the zero amount of f*cks she gives. I would like to see the Council ratify her status, but at the end of the day, it matters not.

Jamyl Sarum is a clone and a Capsuleer and the one, true Empress of Amarr.

And that's a good thing.

By His Light and His Will!

"Angels live, they never die, Apart from us, behind the sky. They're fading souls who've turned to ice, So ashen white in paradise."

Samira Kernher
Cail Avetatu
#23 - 2015-07-19 13:05:54 UTC
Sinjin Mokk wrote:
Being a Capsuleer pretty much necessitates a clone. It's in all the basic literature on the history of the pod and cloning.


Being a capsuleer does not necessitate a clone. We had capsuleers for over a century, before the integration of cloning tech into the pod ten years ago.

Her Imperial Majesty, along with the other heirs at the time who were also capsuleers and also appeared in pods, did not have active burn scanners.

Her Imperial Majesty is not a clone.
Sinjin Mokk
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#24 - 2015-07-19 13:21:16 UTC
Samira Kernher wrote:
Sinjin Mokk wrote:
Being a Capsuleer pretty much necessitates a clone. It's in all the basic literature on the history of the pod and cloning.


Being a capsuleer does not necessitate a clone. We had capsuleers for over a century, before the integration of cloning tech into the pod ten years ago.

Her Imperial Majesty, along with the other heirs at the time who were also capsuleers and also appeared in pods, did not have active burn scanners.

Her Imperial Majesty is not a clone.




You miss the point of the statement, young one.

What I say is that it does not matter if she is a clone or not. She probably is. But if she is, it does not matter.

We do not need to engage in debate whether she is or not. Our faith does not have to be blind or rooted in mysticism.



(All that being said, the cybernetician in me urges you to look for a scientific article, "The Capsule and Clone" for further reading on why Pod piloting without a clone is dangerous and unwise. I think you'll see why it would be almost impossible for her to fly a Titan without being one of us. But again, it does not matter, she is the Empress!)

"Angels live, they never die, Apart from us, behind the sky. They're fading souls who've turned to ice, So ashen white in paradise."

Samira Kernher
Cail Avetatu
#25 - 2015-07-19 13:36:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Samira Kernher
It matters.

And I have read that article. It's irrelevant. You do not need to be a clone to be a capsuleer. The only reason it has become ubiguitous is because CONCORD forced it by mandating cloning contracts to hold capsuleer licenses. Cloning technology is what has made the capsuleer into the monster that it has become over the last decade.
Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2015-07-19 13:47:26 UTC
It was an interesting experience to have caught the tail end of.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Sinjin Mokk
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#27 - 2015-07-19 13:48:20 UTC
Samira Kernher wrote:
It matters.

And I have read that article. It's irrelevant. You do not need to be a clone to be a capsuleer. The only reason it has become ubiguitous is because CONCORD forced it by mandating cloning contracts to hold capsuleer licenses. Cloning technology is what has made the capsuleer into the monster that it has become over the last decade.



Do not let your own self-loathing speak for you. We are not monsters. SHE is not a monster for being one of us. Our actions are what define us. I will not chide you on your lack of insight into things scientific or theological. You are young and have much to learn and experience. Let us instead remark on the majesty of yesterday's event. It was singular.

You are correct though in that CONCORD is the key to the issue. It is they who have pulled the mask off of her status. So be it. I say again, they are not needed.

"Angels live, they never die, Apart from us, behind the sky. They're fading souls who've turned to ice, So ashen white in paradise."

Matar Ronin
#28 - 2015-07-19 15:21:02 UTC
Sinjin Mokk wrote:
Samira Kernher wrote:
It matters.

And I have read that article. It's irrelevant. You do not need to be a clone to be a capsuleer. The only reason it has become ubiguitous is because CONCORD forced it by mandating cloning contracts to hold capsuleer licenses. Cloning technology is what has made the capsuleer into the monster that it has become over the last decade.



Do not let your own self-loathing speak for you. We are not monsters.
Sadly self loathing is all this broken person has to offer, which is why she is such a great representation of the inescapable falsity of the blind idiotic demonic cult she parrots the teachings of. She is an example of the horror that they can and seek to create of all the free, thinking, intelligent people of New Eden. They hope we sit idly by so they can subject more people to their "reclaiming" and then inflict generations of the most brutal physical and psychological torture ever known in human history in every corner of the New Eden Cluster, amarrian slavery.

I ask you all, all that are not members of the demonic slavery cult, who have read her words, is this the future you want for the Caldari and Gallente children of your own families?

‘Vain flame burns fast/and its lick is light/Modest flame lasts long/and burns to the bone.’

" We lost a war we chose not to fight." Without a doubt this is the best way to lose any war and the worst excuse to explain the beating afterwards.

Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#29 - 2015-07-19 15:59:35 UTC
It is good to see the Empress taking a more visible role in space, and I look forward to seeing the new flagship in action. I have no doubt that its armaments will make enemies of the Empire tremble no matter where they are.

Dolce et decorum est pro Imperium mori

Anabella Rella
Gradient
Electus Matari
#30 - 2015-07-19 17:31:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Anabella Rella
Samira Kernher wrote:
Capsuleers age just like anyone else. That age is only reversed if they clone.

Her Imperial Majesty has not cloned.


Oh really? How the hell did she manage to "return from the dead" after her apparent ritual suicide during the succession trials, then?

Logically there are only two possibilities; she never killed herself and just hid out for several years or, she was revived in a new clone after killing herself. In either case she's a fraud and a usurper.


P.S. The Elders would have never attacked anyone had your masters' ancestors not invaded and subjugated Pator for a thousand years.

When the world is running down, you make the best of what's still around.

Arrendis
TK Corp
#31 - 2015-07-19 18:00:20 UTC
Samira Kernher wrote:
If you don't like the war, then your government shouldn't have started it.


The Starkmanir Tribe would likely have a different opinion of who started the war.
Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#32 - 2015-07-19 20:08:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Lyn Farel
Uh...

There is a difference between the Republic (up until prime minister Midular) and the resistance movement, comprising the Elders of the Minmatar Tribes.

The Republic never started this war, and for what is apparent from most transcripts, the actual Republic government that was in place under Midular was as much taken aback by ambassador Keitan Yun and the ensuing attack as anyone else.

Likewise, the Minmatar forces were baffled enough that a handful of them deserted to go support the Elder fleets. If the Republic had really been planning this, it would have been the whole Republic Fleet that would have joined the fight too, and not a few haphazard elements.

The new Republic however, when Midular got deposed, perfectly condoned the event.

The previous Republic instance signed a peace treaty with the Amarr Empire after the Rebellion, and both became part of the Yulai treaty as well as CONCORD signatories. They lived for a few centuries under that very state, while the war was actually fought by dissidents and freedom fighters, as well as the Elders that built that fleet using their connections (how did everyone miss this, though, I wonder ?).

The only war that happened was limited to border skirmishes with the Ammatar Mandate that mostly served as a proxy for both sides.

So there is a clear disconnect between freedom fighters, resistance movements and the Elders, and the Minmatar Republic before the event. The latter was at an uneasy peace while the former never dropped arms.

That is also why incidentally that freedom fighters got branded as terrorists by CONCORD for all those years. This is also why the culprits of the attacks got charged as guilty of crimes against humanity.

Incidentally, the war ceased when the peace was signed after the Minmatar Rebellion, if we speak about legitimate recognized governments.

However, the war never ceased for the Elders or every other resistance movement.
Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#33 - 2015-07-19 21:13:43 UTC
Lyn Farel wrote:


So there is a clear disconnect between freedom fighters, resistance movements and the Elders, and the Minmatar Republic before the event. The latter was at an uneasy peace while the former never dropped arms.


Even if we accept this, the key word here is before.

There is no disconnect between the self-styled Elders and the Republic in its current form.


Dolce et decorum est pro Imperium mori

Arrendis
TK Corp
#34 - 2015-07-19 22:02:01 UTC
Rodj Blake wrote:
Even if we accept this, the key word here is before.

There is no disconnect between the self-styled Elders and the Republic in its current form.


And that does not change the origins of the conflict, nor who the original aggressors were.
Frenjo Borkstar
Doomheim
#35 - 2015-07-20 01:52:01 UTC
Samira Kernher wrote:
Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci wrote:
It must be noted that the Empress appears considerably more tired and aged than before; though many factors must be considered, something may be wrong.


Mr. Anteovnuecci, for Her Imperial Majesty to look in such a manner is precisely as the Emperor of Amarr should look. Nothing is wrong. She appeared better than ever. Any aging demonstrates that she has devoted herself to her work, and is a sign of her growing in wisdom and experience.


As I commented to my associate Archivist Anteovnuecci, in her holo-image, she appears distant, and has a vacant expression.
It's nothing to do with age.

Viriel,

Borkstar Laboratories,

The Borkstar Initiative.

Ginia Itonula
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#36 - 2015-07-20 05:15:05 UTC
All this bickering over who started the fighting between the Amarr and Minmatar or whether Jamyl Sarum is a clone is pointless.

Maximillian Singularity will take his rightful place soon. And in so doing, all such issues will be resolved in short order.
Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#37 - 2015-07-20 06:18:24 UTC
Arrendis wrote:
Rodj Blake wrote:
Even if we accept this, the key word here is before.

There is no disconnect between the self-styled Elders and the Republic in its current form.


And that does not change the origins of the conflict, nor who the original aggressors were.


There was a peace treaty. The old war was over.

But if you really want to go back to ancient history, the Matari were the original aggressors when the sinned against God.

Dolce et decorum est pro Imperium mori

Leopold Caine
Stillwater Corporation
#38 - 2015-07-20 06:32:21 UTC


Ironically enough, parading a bunch of shiny ships around the Throne Worlds is a showcase of one more than the other.

As for who started the war - does it really matter? Can you sleep easier at night knowing you're somehow a victim in the grander scheme of things and the other side is the 'villanous agressor' ?

Amusing, nevertheless.
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Haruchai Khan
Doomheim
#39 - 2015-07-20 08:41:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Haruchai Khan
Removed on advice.

The weak can never forgive. Forgiveness is the attribute of the strong.

Anslo
Scope Works
#40 - 2015-07-20 11:36:04 UTC
Uuuuh what?

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