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Proclamation 7 - The Inquisition of YC117
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Arrendis
TK Corp
#181 - 2015-07-19 21:36:57 UTC
Scherezad wrote:
You're not so much the evil as the mask, Ms Arrendis.


Oh, I'm neither. As I said, my statements certainly don't represent anyone but me. As for evil and villainy... I'm pretty sure the Mittani wouldn't deny that in the eyes of most of New Eden, he is in fact quite the villain. But then, in the eyes of most of High-Sec, aren't all of us who live beyond the grasp of the Empires villains?
Scherezad
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#182 - 2015-07-19 22:10:47 UTC
A good mask doesn't claim to be anything but itself; otherwise it wouldn't mask its wearer very well.

High-sec space is too diverse to gauge the common public view of the petty kingdoms of the outer ring.
Arrendis
TK Corp
#183 - 2015-07-19 22:29:48 UTC
Scherezad wrote:
A good mask doesn't claim to be anything but itself; otherwise it wouldn't mask its wearer very well.

High-sec space is too diverse to gauge the common public view of the petty kingdoms of the outer ring.


No no, the Outer Ring is owned by Outer Ring Excavations, makers of fine mining vessels. (A joke, obviously, but I do appreciate their Exhumer line.)

And really, while I doubt there's been any comprehensive polling, is it really unreasonable to expect that the Empires hold a view of organizations like CONDI fairly similar to their view of the Guristas or Angel Cartel?
Scherezad
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#184 - 2015-07-19 22:33:50 UTC
Arrendis wrote:
And really, while I doubt there's been any comprehensive polling, is it really unreasonable to expect that the Empires hold a view of organizations like CONDI fairly similar to their view of the Guristas or Angel Cartel?


That's fair enough. I'm not sure what that has to do with the conversation though?
Arrendis
TK Corp
#185 - 2015-07-19 22:50:46 UTC
Scherezad wrote:
Arrendis wrote:
And really, while I doubt there's been any comprehensive polling, is it really unreasonable to expect that the Empires hold a view of organizations like CONDI fairly similar to their view of the Guristas or Angel Cartel?


That's fair enough. I'm not sure what that has to do with the conversation though?


I'm pretty sure I mentioned a tendency to get sidetracked on tangential discussions earlier too, no? Oops.
Trii Seo
Goonswarm Federation
#186 - 2015-07-19 22:57:03 UTC
Chants, torches and pitchfork aside - considering that majority of cries against the Imperium are raised primarily by those who have not been in any way hurt by it...

...in fact, most of them have never crossed it in a major way. They only join the flock of those who shout - accusing us of being mindless sheep following a psychopathic shepherd. Their knowledge of the Imperium is usually based on hearsay, or - in the case of the more educated - press articles detailing the "evils" we've done.

I'd say most of them would be surprised if they found themselves among us. I'd say that the Imperial citizens are often more well-behaved than high security crowd. The big difference, I guess, is that citizenship is granted basing on service - it's a privilege, not a right.

Proud pilot of the Imperium

Arek'Jaalan: Heliograph
Honorius Vitellius
ANZAC ALLIANCE
Goonswarm Federation
#187 - 2015-07-20 02:23:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Honorius Vitellius
Arrendis wrote:
Honorius Vitellius wrote:
Item 2: Your so-called "Sixth Empire" is a group largely composed of, and supported by, criminals and terrorists. You cannot declare the sitting government of the empire impure while you yourself dwell in a brothel.


To be fair from all I've heard, Max's 'Sixth Empire' isn't an actual empire but a state of being. Capsuleers, by our condition, are in some ways inherently sociopathic, and don't really fit in the existing Empires' power structure well. It's useful to understand exactly what he's saying before you decry it.


It seems it is not I who does not understand the thing I am decrying. The entire identity of the faithful Amarr capsuleer depends upon the existing "power structure" of the Amarr Empire. Furthermore, I do not accept the idea that the so-called Sixth Empire is a state of being. I see it as a criminal group, largely supported by terrorists, who, among many other outrages, have killed hundreds of thousands recently around the Amarr System. To address the inherent sociopathy of the capsuleer, a faith in God mediated by the Scriptures (correctly interpreted) is all that is needed. The arguments that are being used in an attempt to usurp the Empire are not Amarrian. These are Gallente and Matari cultural notions; they are foreign to us and to our faith. We cannot accept them.
Max Singularity
House Singularity
Sixth Empire
#188 - 2015-07-20 03:39:35 UTC
Honorius Vitellius wrote:
It seems it is not I who does not understand the thing I am decrying.



CVA is a de facto member of the Sixth Empire.

The Sixth Empire is not a thing you can join, nor quit. It is not a thing that is united, in fact, it excels when it is divided. It can not fall, it can only rise. It is the very thing that has made CVA, The Imperium and all the alliances stronger over the years. It is the exclusive realm of Capsuleers where we strengthen by our divided adversity. It is a realization. An idea. A bad idea, a good idea both in one where duality of confusion leads only to the infusion of STRENGTH.

Angry CONCORD Guy saw the Sixth Empire rising long before many others. We are here, and until you BIOMASS, you are too.



Harbinger of Faith His Holiness Maximilian Singularity VI, Pope of New Eden

First Champion House Kador (defeated) - #MagnateGate

Viceroy Interview & Apostle In Amarr

Arrendis
TK Corp
#189 - 2015-07-20 04:34:25 UTC
Honorius Vitellius wrote:
These are Gallente and Matari cultural notions; they are foreign to us and to our faith. We cannot accept them.


Well again, I'll plead guilty to being Matari, and I fully acknowledge that the Amarrian culture traditionally looks upon the enslavement of others as a righteous and holy thing. I don't pretend to understand it, and I don't pretend to condone it. But then, I feel the same way about your claims of some nebulous 'god' being. Honestly, I'd have as little problem with your culture's views on slavery as I do your views on invisible space-faeries, if only you'd stop attacking other people only to blame them when you get hit back.
Max Singularity
House Singularity
Sixth Empire
#190 - 2015-07-20 05:21:09 UTC
Arrendis wrote:
Honorius Vitellius wrote:
These are Gallente and Matari cultural notions; they are foreign to us and to our faith. We cannot accept them.


Well again, I'll plead guilty to being Matari, and I fully acknowledge that the Amarrian culture traditionally looks upon the enslavement of others as a righteous and holy thing. I don't pretend to understand it, and I don't pretend to condone it. But then, I feel the same way about your claims of some nebulous 'god' being. Honestly, I'd have as little problem with your culture's views on slavery as I do your views on invisible space-faeries, if only you'd stop attacking other people only to blame them when you get hit back.



Our Golden Empire of old... was once the promise for humankind. The old ways of nexum devolved into the current abomination of slavery as it is within the Empire today. There is nothing righteous, or holy in forced slavery and the greatness of both the Empire and the Republic have both become diminished over it. Once, we had the promise where through work, and being debt free, one could see the realization of self reliance both physical and spiritual. Nexum provided that path, and the way to God.

Now, through corruption and unbridled power, unnatural poisons and horrid viruses are used to control the Truly Strong and break their will. Nexum is no more. Now is not the way it was... this is not the way it should be... this is not the way.

I don't have hope, I have resolve, that I shall once again see my fathers and brothers wake up, and recognize the slow boiling pot of water that has immersed the Amarr Empire and New Eden. We must find the way.

To: Jamyl Sarum 1, I say this...
I HAVE ALWAYS BOWED BEFORE HIS WILL... AND NO OTHER!

Harbinger of Faith His Holiness Maximilian Singularity VI, Pope of New Eden

First Champion House Kador (defeated) - #MagnateGate

Viceroy Interview & Apostle In Amarr

Trii Seo
Goonswarm Federation
#191 - 2015-07-20 07:05:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Trii Seo
Honorius Vitellius wrote:

It seems it is not I who does not understand the thing I am decrying. The entire identity of the faithful Amarr capsuleer depends upon the existing "power structure" of the Amarr Empire.


Has it ever crossed your mind that we, the capsuleers, may just be closer to any divine being than any mortal that may claim so?

Just like gods, we are immortal. If we do things right. death can never truly claim us. Our bodies are weak, disposable shells that contain true us. The flesh is a bridge between us and our machines.

Addendum:

And before you say "what of those who revoke their clone contracts?"

Their shells may no longer exist. But we don't need one to live. We have become living data - all it takes is a storage unit where we can write ourselves. Hell, we can even forgo our memories to squeeze in on something with lower capacity. It's not unheard of for some to return in a diminished form.

Proud pilot of the Imperium

Arek'Jaalan: Heliograph
Jev North
Doomheim
#192 - 2015-07-20 07:30:08 UTC
I would have said, "But what about the stunning majority of capsuleers being obvious wastes of biomass, much less striking anyone as having any divine qualities whatsoever," but sure!

Even though our love is cruel; even though our stars are crossed.
Kontrahage
Perkone
Caldari State
#193 - 2015-07-20 09:34:08 UTC
Trii Seo wrote:
Honorius Vitellius wrote:

It seems it is not I who does not understand the thing I am decrying. The entire identity of the faithful Amarr capsuleer depends upon the existing "power structure" of the Amarr Empire.


Has it ever crossed your mind that we, the capsuleers, may just be closer to any divine being than any mortal that may claim so?

Just like gods, we are immortal. If we do things right. death can never truly claim us. Our bodies are weak, disposable shells that contain true us. The flesh is a bridge between us and our machines.

Addendum:

And before you say "what of those who revoke their clone contracts?"

Their shells may no longer exist. But we don't need one to live. We have become living data - all it takes is a storage unit where we can write ourselves. Hell, we can even forgo our memories to squeeze in on something with lower capacity. It's not unheard of for some to return in a diminished form.


This again proves that Max Singularity and his apostles have forsaken the true faith in favor of their own capsuleer cult.
Even an Achuran convert can see that comparing oneself to god is heresy.
How can you question the righteousness of one who saved the empire with an unknown force and has been confirmed to be God's chosen by the Theology Council and the Heirs while all you do is burn the empire with mad terrorists in tow and spouting out nonsense about the holiness of cloning and murder?
Max Singularity
House Singularity
Sixth Empire
#194 - 2015-07-20 14:50:23 UTC
Do I bow when you say "dance monkey, dance"? No.

The time and place when I Bow to his will is my affair and of my free will. Those that have bowed before me have done so not at my demanding, not at my call, not by my tradition, but by their own offering of respect. I extend my hand to help them up and stand by my side, shoulder to shoulder.

I see that Vaari stands shoulder to shoulder with you, and now are using the same words.

People are not peasants. They are people. Each deserving of God, and our gentle hand.

I do not know if you Bow to his will, I surely assume that of a man of your qualities does, and I do not question your faith as others would of mine.

You may also Bow to Jamyl Sarum to who you serve, but in that case you're going to get what you deserve.

Harbinger of Faith His Holiness Maximilian Singularity VI, Pope of New Eden

First Champion House Kador (defeated) - #MagnateGate

Viceroy Interview & Apostle In Amarr

Kontrahage
Perkone
Caldari State
#195 - 2015-07-20 15:03:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Kontrahage
Max Singularity wrote:
Do I bow when you say "dance monkey, dance"? No.

The time and place when I Bow to his will is my affair and of my free will.


You are mistaken. It is not your choice when to bow and to whom but god's.

Max Singularity wrote:
Those that have bowed before me have done so not at my demanding, not at my call, not by my tradition, but by their own offering of respect. I extend my hand to help them up and stand by my side, shoulder to shoulder.


Like you now extend your hand to the Amarrians in Providence so they may bow of their own free volition
and not because you burn their domain if they don't?[/quote]

I see that Vaari stands shoulder to shoulder with you, and now are using the same words.
Max Singularity wrote:

People are not peasants. They are people. Each deserving of God, and our gentle hand.

Aren't you the one killing them by the hundreds of thousands?
But perhaps calling them by their social situation ist a more grievous harm.
Scherezad
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#196 - 2015-07-20 15:12:32 UTC
Trii Seo wrote:
Honorius Vitellius wrote:

It seems it is not I who does not understand the thing I am decrying. The entire identity of the faithful Amarr capsuleer depends upon the existing "power structure" of the Amarr Empire.


Has it ever crossed your mind that we, the capsuleers, may just be closer to any divine being than any mortal that may claim so?

Just like gods, we are immortal. If we do things right. death can never truly claim us. Our bodies are weak, disposable shells that contain true us. The flesh is a bridge between us and our machines.

Addendum:

And before you say "what of those who revoke their clone contracts?"

Their shells may no longer exist. But we don't need one to live. We have become living data - all it takes is a storage unit where we can write ourselves. Hell, we can even forgo our memories to squeeze in on something with lower capacity. It's not unheard of for some to return in a diminished form.


...

.. bh -

brains don't work like that!
Scherezad
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#197 - 2015-07-20 15:15:12 UTC
Max Singularity wrote:
Do I bow when you say "dance monkey, dance"? No.

The time and place when I Bow to his will is my affair and of my free will. Those that have bowed before me have done so not at my demanding, not at my call, not by my tradition, but by their own offering of respect. I extend my hand to help them up and stand by my side, shoulder to shoulder.

...

You don't bow to God, sir. You bow to Pride.

There's apparently a saying about it 'coming before a fall'. Not sure where that is from, though.
Sinjin Mokk
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#198 - 2015-07-20 15:16:00 UTC
You are a very powerful magnet and the Goons are cheap metal. Of course they're going to be drawn to you.

"Free Will" is an illusion. It is a mouse in a maze that can select which piece of food to go after. The Scriptures say we are given a path by God. My path is not Vaari's. If you truly believe you are on yours, so be it. I am re-dedicating my life to my path through God's Will.

I bow to God and I bow to my King.

I will never bow to you.





"Angels live, they never die, Apart from us, behind the sky. They're fading souls who've turned to ice, So ashen white in paradise."
Arrendis
TK Corp
#199 - 2015-07-20 15:33:41 UTC
Kontrahage wrote:
Even an Achuran convert can see that comparing oneself to god is heresy.


I have to agree, comparing me to god is... distasteful at best, and wrongheaded and subversive. After all, there's hard evidence for my existence.
Arrendis
TK Corp
#200 - 2015-07-20 15:39:36 UTC
Scherezad wrote:
There's apparently a saying about it 'coming before a fall'. Not sure where that is from, though.


Probably some farmer being overly-impressed with his crops before they all died in the colder weather.