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lol but it can prove great many things about transactions, etc that can raise questions about whether one person operating them can do at once, etc. But then, what do I know. apparently a person can be in two places at once according to scam paranoia in these boards =)

Healthy skepticism is all well and good, but there comes a point where neither you or even the offering party can offer absolute proof of any kind to off set some of the wildest delusions of self-serving 'clairvoyant forum wisdom (lol) of people who not only make baseless accusations (I can feel it in my guts! he never said people should believe him but I will think he does because that's what "I" always do and everyone thinks like mehhh) but actually believe it is their right to presume facts.


Really, so many ways a person can scam, so many ways a person can try to make it look like an alt, or not.....it's a really moot question. If you are so keen to know, why don't you ask CCP? If any one would actually allow this in ccp (probably not at all likely lol), I would be happy to give a go-ahead and let them tell you whether JA and my accounts are under different names, different RL accounts, etc. Just a yes or no answer with no details. Make a petition, never hurts to try....or are you simply saying cheap words but are not willing to take action?

But even in your wildest dreams they would allow that, you would still :gasp: wonder if this is one person operating two different accounts with identity theft?



Would you like your tin foil hat now?

It only seemed fitting, seeing as how such folks would like to throw around such baseless accusations not only for myself but other innocent bystandards as well. Perhaps they would like to invest and find out for themselves how accurate their 'predictions' are? 'Pressure' seems like an over reaction.....maybe pestering would be a better word for it.
You can also learn a lot about a person doing such things as well.

But no matter.....no hard feelings, right mu-shi? :tinfoilhat:

I offer cheap 3rd party collateral handling. Since I held well MD tracked > 90B already, 20B are nuggets.

well aren't these trolls trying hard. Is my thread that interesting? ^^

Mu-shi, I think you really need to re-examine your reasoning and understand the difference between 'convincing in your own head' and 'reality'. I typed out a response to your points which pointed out the presumptions and baseless assertions in your accusations, but the forum ate it =( so you can convo colonel vatutin if you wish for more.
Unless, of course, you are not even willing to go that far to pursue 'legitimate' questions...

Remember, think about 'correct within my own line of thought' vs. 'what could be otherwise in reality' may offer a clue as to why your points are in fact very myopic. Convo colonel vatutin if you are this interested ^^

@Vaerah

Your offer is noted....though I may probably use more widely known services. Thank you for your offer.

Like I said, do convo me. I believe you will find that I am perfectly willing to answer ^^
I am not concerned with telling you things like that which may put me in a bad light - but you seem too lazy to even convo me now. Your line of reasoning chiefly depends upon interpreting those sentences and words through your own prism, while you fail to realize that what other people meant is completely outside of your abilities to understand so simply.

Take, for example, of you hanging off the words 'humble offerings' - when I say so, I simply think that many people have greater experience than myself in handling greater amount of isk, and is simply making a gesture that I am not presuming anyone should think my thought in putting this bond forward is some kind of grand offering that everything revolves around. It is a simply matter of respectful gesture that shows I am acknowledging others may have more experience handling greater amounts of isk on daily basis, and I would be glad to partake in investing their money for mutual benefits. Such a simple statement, yet you attempt to twist it and interpret it to your own smug little point of view that I must also be so smug and snide in dealing with others. How about you do not presume to tell others meaning of their own words?

Another example, is how you think I am 'swiping' chribba's name to somehow 'legitimitize' myself. Now that requires a real stretch of imagination that only sounds good to those who would think in such a way. Where, oh where in my statement did I ever state that this bond or others have either direct or indirect support/connection/ or anything related to chribba? I was simply stating that his business is a good example of successful business, and that it is a merely an example to show such is possible. To think you would somehow interpret this as me attempting to take another's name in support of my own shows your presumptuousness even more.

The only point you even remotely make sense by not relying entirely upon your narrow-minded view of how other's think is regarding the fifth point of higher rates, and even that falls flat on the ground. Your interesting interpretation that I am stating it covers risk of running or otherwise shows how you presume to think I am making that offer within your subjective reasoning. The increased rates OF COURSE does not cover such risk. In the world of eve, if you attempt to scam there are ways to get around virtually all safeguards. I am neither denying nor hiding such an obvious matter. The point is, then, the higher rates, is a small but concrete gesture of appreciation towards those willing to take a chance at such ventures when I extend the olive branch, a matter of mutual benefit and a gesture of appreciation. That is all there is to it, yet somehow, once again, you presume that your interpretation is what others think.

All these points are moot in the face of the obvious basics: All I can offer is a choice, and some evidence to support my intentions. You don't want to partake, then no one's forcing you. I have never said that I can offer an absolute proof that I can be trusted. I only believe that greater benefit is possible with mutual cooperation between like minded folks, and that as long as they hold up their side of the bargain and offer same respect as I would, I have no reason personally to pursue a course different than what I had outlined. It is a choice, not one-sided persuasion, and I can respect others in their choices as well.

These questions and their fundemental problems have been discussed to death already so I really suggest you delve into past threads about how they are answered. Or convo me, doesn't matter.

If you don't even want to go that far, than there's little weight your words or you on anything really..

it is also very interesting to note how trolls don't try to point out or make legitimate rebuttles against my posts other than 'lolololi don't trust you and no one should either because I am a useless cynic with unwarranted self-importance lolol'

Really, why are you not answering any of my points pointing out obvious questions about how you 'legitimately' accuse others but are not willing to go one step towards actually putting your money where your mouth is?

The reason no one wants to answer your questions/points is because you rarely make any sense. All your arguments/rebuttals are based on the idea that we are disrespectful, presumptuous idiots. Why would anyone want to talk to you, you literally insult us in every paragraph.

It is your job to convince us that you are legit. If (and thats a really big if) we have misinterpreted your posts then it is at least partly your fault. I dont understand why potential investors have to contact you personally to get answers to their questions.

It's pretty obvious by now that he's trolling. The defensiveness/smugness with which he's responded has become the biggest red flag in the whole proposal. You really do have to praise the sack on this guy, though, if only for the way he so overtly tries to spin every negative point about his proposal into a positive feature. No collateral? Hey, it's an opportunity to build trust! Too risky? Here, I'll give you a couple extra percent interest! Why so much ISK? Whaa??? This is a "humble offering"! People wipe their asses with 20bn ISK every day, don't they?

A long, drawn-out, multi-offering troll. That's what this is.

tbh MD really needs a few successful scams.

+1

Sent 1bn to colonel, happy investing

You are welcome.

You'll find you how mine is one of the more widely known services who would consider a 20B operation and without skinning you alive.