EVE General Discussion

Sorry to see you go, I was not trying to come over all hard ass, but just explain my own attitude to Eve based on it being a major challenge. I have had fun getting in the way of gankers and I dedicate some of my time to AG activities to try to do my bit in game.

I think the key thing is for CCP to get the right balance, my point of view is not acceptable to many of the less thoughtful gankers, but I actually think it should be a part of the game as my first thought when I look at the balance.

Wish you well

I do believe that CCP has indeed set out their view of what high security space is, and it certainly doesn't imply complete safety.

Now, as for repercussions. There's the GCC, loss of security status leading to faction police chasing the outlaws, and finally, if the criminal isn't already an outlaw, killrights.

I think the presence of gankers has made me far more attentive to how I play. Pity that so many prefer to QQ-tank.

You're too blind to see the forest for the trees, even though you planted them yourself.

It's a sandbox. Everyone can do what he wants. The game offers mechanics that allow people to live in a state of relative anarchy. People who are mightier will bring down people who aren't. Might makes Right, after all.

So you first claim that sandbox precisely means that people can play how they want to play, but then you deny that very fact to those who do so. What you are missing here is that you mistakingly believe that "playing how i want" is some sort of given or bought right.

It is not. That's where the freedom of the sandbox comes in. If you can't stand up for yourself, you get pushed around by those who can. That, too, is precisely the sandbox. So it's not THEM forcing you to play how they want, it's YOU wanting to force them to play how YOU want, because you want to be left alone. Which goes against the sandbox, btw.

You want to deny other people the freedom to do what they want, while you wrongly believe "freedom" is a given right YOU have and thus they are griefing you for denying you that right. That's far from the game's reality and, tbh, from real life just as much.


The real griefers here are people like you, who can't understand that the others are playing the game like they can. You fail to see that you are not only making yourself the victim, but you're also defending yourself like one.


There. Sorry, but your logic simply didn't hold up to what's really going on. It's your personal hate that clouds your reason. People aren't equal. Not everybody deserves a chance. If you're not made for it and you can't improve yourself to reach it, then you better accept who you are!

And that's why you people get ******. You want, but you don't do anything for it. Those who work for their goals kick you in the balls and then you cry about them being griefers for playing the game the way it's meant to be played.


That's all there is to it.

I know, right?

Who in his right mind would want to ruin a perfect bell curve?

And as long as you stay within a small ruleset it allows you to do exactly that, what it doesn't do is guarantee that you'll succeed at doing so. You can try to play in way you want to, so can everybody else; sometimes those ways of playing will conflict. Just as in the real world, freedom in Eve is a conflict driver.

Eve is a sandbox, one where the core concept is full time PvP, as stated by CCP as per the quote below.

Which bit about a small ruleset did you miss? In addition none of those things prevent you from doing something, they merely penalise or inconvenience you.

Eve is widely recognised as a sandbox within the gaming industry because it has minimal restraints, especially when compared to other MMOs, on what can be done, and where it can be done.

Nah, you win Eve when you haven't logged in for a couple of years, yet still get to command a coalition of thousands and mess with a game you no longer play.

That may be what eve was at first, but over time the gankers came and took over (actually contaminated) the game into what it is today. Some find it enjoyable, some don't, the ones who don't eventually leave. But whether good or bad, the majority of the players now have learn to adapt and have come to accept eve for what it is. The game called eve is now the most evil, cruelest, vicious, and merciless MMO game in existence and the people who play it now, play it for that experience. To be able to play a game like this you need to have a pretty thick spine and a high tolerance for misfortune. If you don't have those then you need to adapt and develop a sorta mental barrier (that houses yourself). When you feel this barrier about to be breach (from been overganked) then that would be your time to take a break from eve. Over time after that mental barrier recharge back up to 100% then you can come back and play eve again anew.

I did what you and the OP is threaten to do back in 2012, I raged quit eve and biomassed all 4 of my chars. Not from been ganked but because CCP took away my Cane and Drake. I really liked those ships back then and grudged CCP for reducing them to uselessness. But what I failed to realized is that in just 4 more months I would've been able to fly the Sleipnir and Damnation. Time passed and I played other games like Skyrim, Grand theft auto, Mass effect etc, and that's when I realize what I missed about eve. That Adrenaline Rush. No other games I played could provide me with that adrenaline rush that eve did. So you've guess it, I came back in mid 2014 and had to start all over again.

So my advice to you and the OP, is to take a break from eve for a few months or a year (assuming it last another year), and if you still have no desire for eve then you can officially resign your eve career at that time, but rage quitting isn't a good idea unless you're 100% certain you won't want to return.

Gankers have always been in Eve. It's harder to carry out now than it ever was and for the most part requires multiple players to do what used to be possible to do solo.

It's always been one of the most evil, cruelest, vicious, and merciless MMO games in existence; by design.

Common consensus opinion at CCP about the nature of Eve seems to be in line with this post by CCP Falcon.

Hisec is only as safe as you make it for yourself, if you can't be bothered to take the most basic of precautions or use the game mechanics to your advantage that's your lookout.

I do dislike the predator and prey model, where there is no fight, just a kill.