EVE General Discussion

OK OP, just in case you're still reading your replies, I reference you this: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5831953#post5831953 it's a post I made a while back. I don't wanna say it all over again.

Dr. Randy Paush said it best I think, "Experience is what you get when you don't get what you want." I've made crap-tons of mistakes in this game and I've learned from them. Learned enough that my follow on game experience was more fun.

For my time in game I've really had one overriding goal. To find a group of players who will accept this wounded veteran for what I can do and not expect more than what I'm able. But on the other hand I don't want anyone feeling sorry for me or not giving me the same opportunities. I just might have finally found it with this corp/alliance. But if I would have quit when I didn't I would have missed out.

While looking for that I've had opportunities to run a Corp that I messed up and it failed then one that didnt. Then an alliance in Wicked Creek that did, but only after a year, and only in Feb of this year. Did I mention I can't talk and I'm missing 25% of my brain from a little incident while in the Navy? And the game is too hard for you?

Pardon me while I search for my give a crap.
Nope, can't find it.
HTFU Sparkey.
Or unsub.
For real this time.

Whipple

Here, have a tissue.
Your game play issue is summed up in three words, " mining in hisec."

Get the hell outta hisec. I lost more ships on two accounts in three months in hisec than I have in two years on ten accounts living in null.

I'm a miner.
Null.
Is.
Safer.
Period.

Whipple

That is a long time to repeat one experience and think you know the game.

I've found the amount of ‘griefing’ in the game seems to be reflective of the person being ‘griefed’ much more than the one ‘griefing’. Now some players may not like miners at all, but there others who don't much care for afk miners in untanked ships.
(I still can't see a good reason to use anything other than a Procurer)

As to the content, what do you want? Content laid out for you to follow and get your legendary ring? Quests and raids to make you the centre of that world?

Enough of that.

As to bounties, I'm a little surprised by mine as I thought the amount was a CODE thing. I was going to have gotten rid of it this weekend, but wasn't around for the roam.

As CCP has said (and I'm paraphrasing) "There are good ways and bad ways to lose customers. If a customer fundamentally disagrees with the central tenets that make Eve Online what it is, then it's OK to lose that person as a customer.."

I feel like it's almost a part of the "All Me Right Now" Generation, in that it comes as a shock when a business says "Yeah, we don't work like that, please take your money and go elsewhere."

The alternative I use is ignoring the scum. It's what I do in real life too. I cant run around being the police.

Since I don't like scum, I don't behave like one myself. Which also means I won't scam people. Which you should not believe. Its bad practice even in RL.

With that statement I've also proven the OP to be a liar btw.
But since we "all" know what he means....

PvP-ers don't hate miners. Certain people believe others care about their simplistic view. Which is obviously true based on the tears they generate from some other people. Doesn't mean it makes sense all of a sudden.

Stop caring about the opinion of some random dude on some random location about a random subject. Be a bit more selective who you pay attention to and EVE becomes a wonderful place with all kinds of stuff going on.

You hit the nail on the head. My opinion is that this is exactly where the game is at right now.

Eve may be suffering from decreased concurrent player counts right now, although the reasons for this are not at all clear and ultimately don't matter to you if your game is still fun. Let CCP worry about that.

That said, the last thing CCP should do is just toss out the core tenets of the game in desperation over subscriptions and they know this. Eve has been successful for 12+-years because it offers something found pretty much nowhere else in the gaming world - a single-universe PvP sandbox and all the complexity and interactions that provides. The reason Eve is still here and numerous sci-fi themed MMOs that were touted as supposed "Eve killers" have come and gone is that those WoW-in-space clones lack the player-driven stories, interactions and conflict that Eve offers.

Look at Elite: Dangerous. Only the most thoroughbred carebear finds that game entertaining for any length of time. Sure it is pretty, but without consequences there is little meaning to the actual gameplay and no matter what they add, the ability to opt-out of player conflict means it never will have meaning. It will always be a glorified spaceflight simulator, never a vibrant living universe like New Eden has become.

CCP would be insane to nerf the conflict out of the game, the major distinguishing feature of the game, to try to appeal to those wanting a single-player space game. There is no way a neutered version of their 2003-era space game could compete against the modern, and upcoming crop of sci-fi MMOs. That would be the surest way to kill Eve - those seeking a meaningful universe would quit or go elsewhere, and the newly attracted "instant-gratification, I-never-should-lose" generation gamers would tire of the antiquated PvE or completely consensual PvP game play and quit in six months.

I do believe that there is a balance issue in hisec and am not scared to say it, I said it with the mining barges and exhumers when they had the tank of a wet paper bag and no choice to get into a ship that was a challenge. I have no issue with ganking and see it as part of the game, but I do find the penalties applied to gankers in hisec too light, my view is docking penalties need to be applied. Of course the HTFU crowd will scream that I want to nerf ganking, but I just want more of a hit then losing a ship they expect to lose and a shuttle or noob ship. My proposal is that any -8.0 security standings have a docking penalty which scales with the security status.

The best thing about this game is the players and the worst thing about this game is the players, take it that in this game the hard boss you face are players, see it as a challenge to just operate in this game with the attitude of what is now the majority of players, if it moves shoot it, if it does not move still shoot it. The thing is that I play because I like to compete in a hard game where all the nasties have the advantage. Of course at times I look at the inbalances and think that CCP are a bit looeny, the most recent one was the D-scan immunity, however if you want a challenge of operating in a truly hostile environment where the cards are stacked against you then Eve is your game.

I have dropped out a few times when I got bored at just the same lameness, my pet hate is the elite afk cloaky crowd, its just so lame easy peasey that it is not a challenge to do, especially when they do not drop at the sniff of any risk to them, and yet you will find the same players raging on the forums about those lame carebears...

Like I said if you want a challenge then Eve has it, if you want an easy life then Eve is not for you, I play to be difficult to kill, I would rather cut my own nose off then give one of these simpering AFK cloaky lame asses a kill, and that is why I play Eve.

I knew the jacka@@es would come out of the woodwork for this thread with their phony elitist attitudes and stupid comebacks. They always do when someone speaks the truth on this game. High sec needs to be just that: High sec. If there is no safe space in the game then stop calling it that or provide more penalities against players that violate it. My gameplay should not be forced to take place in null because CCP Devs cant get their heads out of their asses and actually uphold their own self-imposed security levels. Thats just one example of how they cant get it right, along with attracting the MMO genres biggest griefers and gankers. Actually talking about this has made me cancel my sub. Ill finish out the month and then explore other options. No bitches, you cant have my stuff. Other than that have fun griefing other players! The ones that are still around that is ;)