EVE General Discussion

Tanking is only a small part of it, if you're not paying attention no amount of tank is ever going to save you. Empty or not a freighter is a juicy killmail waiting to happen if the pilot isn't paying attention.

I'm pretty sure that the contract success rates of professional haulers such as Red Frog or PushX are mostly down to paying attention and generally knowing what they're doing.

But it's your fault for carrying 10 bil out last night, and not calling for help the 25 minutes it took for you to die.

One alt webbing prevents 98% of classical ganks, one alt repping prevents 100% of hyperdunks.

Meanwhile it takes more than a dozen people to cost effectively kill a freighter anyway, and if you're not willing to spend 1 billion a month for nearly absolute safety but are willing to put 10 bil into a freighter and then AFK with it? I think some priorities should be established.




the counter is bringing an alt with an hour of skill training. done, saved, it's over. one alt with an hour of skill training completely nullifies hyperdunking. period. done.

I'm aware of this, and although their suggestions for counters have been taken no further I'm certain that they've worked out effective counters using existing mechanics, just as they always have.

Red Frog have a good rep for a reason, they're resilient, adaptable and don't take unnecessary risks; all of which means that they rarely lose a load despite the best efforts of the same gankers the rest of you don't seem able to deal with.

If you're serious go for broke, give it a shot, you may well enjoy it. I sincerely hope that you have fun doing so.

Be aware though, if it was easy everybody would be doing it; as it stands only a few people do, Globby is one of them and the main reason for this entire thread.

The best way to fight crime is to know how the crime works, set a thief to catch a thief and all that.

fwiw, i never lost anything to this. i read about it after seeing the c&p thread, and posted what i thought was the best solution to the situation. i went to Jita with a cloaky prober ship and watched for 4 days to see this for myself.

what i didn't expect was the vitreolic responses. but i guess when you threaten someone's multi-billion dollar moneymaker that is to be expected.

i will do this and see what it requires and what the difficulties are. maybe i change my opinions, maybe not.

either way fly safe Jonah. i don't want to see you on the kb's...

noted, but is there a list of these 'abuses?'

offtopic, but i require information.

This, more than anything, says all that needs to be said about hyperdunking.

25 minutes. Wow. If you are so far out of Eve that a 25 minute long gank can happen, you aren't playing Eve. You deserve anything that happens to you in that time frame.


Seriously, in 25 minutes, I could literally roll an alt from scratch, train one level of prop jamming, slap a web on a newbie ship, and most likely arrive in time to save my freighter.

I'm just as guilty as anyone else is, of having my attention elsewhere when flying a freighter. Thing is, I have my sound effects turned up, and I'm keeping an eye on what happens to my freighter in a tiled window. You can do that in Windows, you know? Make your netflix window nice and big, and park an Eve window off to one side. If you see a bad thing happen, you can pop right over, maximize, and attend to your freighter.



Just....25 minutes. Wows.

It's been discussed to death over the last 80+ pages, and in numerous other threads.

It is currently allowed, CCP have looked into it, checked if it's breaking any rules with regards to Concord evasion or aggression mechanics and made their decision.

They're unlikely to change it without good reason just as they haven't changed the related bumping mechanic. I have no doubt that if they think about changing it they will inform the player base through the forums; and take feedback on the proposed changes from both sides before making a decision.

It's either that or they fear the ensuing threadnaughts

You should, chat to some of the CODE. guys, most of them are quite approachable despite the RP and will point you in the right direction

lol, so far so good

Thats some BS!
The risks for the gankers is absolute ZERO!
Their ships get blown up by 100% or they would be be banned.
Ganking is nothing more as using the right numbers. If the gankers have enough ships, their victims chances are almost zero.

Adept?
Nope! shooting at harmless ships is NOT elite PvP. it is same PvP like trading or mining with LESS risk!
(their ships get always blown up, thats a FACT not a RISK.) If the gank fails the gankers where incompetent.
Which they might be anyway.
They are NOT adept, especially NOT extremly...



WHAT?
Join the biggest hipocrits in whole EvE for what? To learn how to gank?
Better join some nullsec corps and learn what EvE makes a great PvP game.
Where the big wars and the big fights are.
Or hunt your miners there. There might be no concorde, but alliance standing fleets and intel.

Code-Monkeys are like an accountant bragging how tough he cheated some insurances.

You can't argue with results, all 16.5T of them as I type this: https://zkillboard.com/alliance/99002775/stats/

Gankers, if not good at what they do, are quite persistent at it.
All ship PvP in Eve is just numbers. If one side has enough ships, the other side's chances are near zero. However, at least in highsec (potential) victims have plenty of ways to either escape, or more easily avoid the gankers in the first place. CCP has enabled gankers to operate in highsec and expects you to deal with them as part of the designed gameplay.


Ganking is elite PvP. It is like regular PvP except you have to deal with a layer of infallible NPC protection. Sure, that NPC protection may be predictable, but it is none-the-less difficult to navigate. The best gankers have figured those systems out, and thread the needle of aggression mechanics to still destroy the target. That alone isn't PvP, but on top of that, the ganker has to react to what the target chooses to do. Despite these claims of "no risk", targets get away all the time as there are many strategies they can use to escape, or slip by the gankers in the first place. That is what makes it elite PvP - defeating these opponents when the deck is so stacked against the ganker.

Sure, many times the victim isn't even at the keyboard which makes it easier for the ganker, but that really isn't the ganker's fault now is it?



If you want to be a professional portrait painter, you go learn from a master artist, not take classes at the local community college. Elite highsec PvP like ganking is best learned from those who practice it daily, defeating their opponents and taking their stuff.

Relaxing nullsec PvP is all well and good, but not really challenging enough to teach you the skills necessary to navigate the cut-throat world of highsec aggression mechanics. It would be a good place for him to start to get the basics of easy-mode PvP - learn how to be in a fleet, press F1 that kind of thing, but to learn how to hyperdunk or take down a freighter under the nose of CONCORD he will need to practice against CONCORD and the faction police in a free-fire zone, with the training wheels off. That would be best learned by joining or at least talking to CODE. members who are masters of these arts.