EVE General Discussion

How is pointing out that there is an option to auto reject duels, and that it is extremely easy to set up being silly? It's not ideal, but it's not silly.

I'm well aware that duelling is also used by anti gankers to aid freighter pilots in distress. Let's be honest here, you are as aware as I am that flying a freighter through a choke point without support is the equivalent of dipping your genitalia in blood, then sticking it in a piranha tank and hoping the fish aren't hungry. Gankers are normally flashy red, regardless of confusion and panic, accepting a duel from someone who is obviously a criminal, and shows up as a criminal is just dumb.

On this we share common ground, I'd love to see haulers getting their act together and working as a team to protect their cargo. I'd hazard a guess that most gankers would probably like to see it as well, it's one of their stated aims after all. However, as you say the lessons taught by gankers seem to be going over most of their heads.

I'm pretty sure that if you don't intend to keep the account and just do it for a free alt, that's abuse of the buddy system.

Mostly the bumper sits at 0, but of course that is a rather wide box, I did find that it got a very close call if I was in a direct line to the Macherial on his side. And that was where I had to do it almost perfect to be certain to get out.



Think about in context of them having people doing different things in different one man corps which is set up that way to avoid war decs. Lucas Kell did a very good description of the setup of most industrial players and I checked back with one of my mates, it means they are difficult to pin down for war decs but more vulnerable for ganks..

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Are you guys actually that ******** as to not have the freighter pilot be the one sending requests to the webber? I mean jeez, this is like, a five year old best practice for goodness sakes.

Freighter pilots should be set to auto refuse, that's a no brainer.

I don't think its that hard to do but involves organisation, assets and good skill in bumping, you do require to not be noticed, because once you are noticed its easy to stop, and you either have to switch to ganking or trick someone into a duel or accept a ransom. The people being tricked into duelling are panicking and that is why they often fall for it.

And by the way you went off topic by boasting about the number of death by duels and giving incorrect reasons for why, so I corrected you.

I will repeat it then:

So looking at the first post from the DEV and looking at the tail end of this...so are is everyone still talking about the same thing?

I actually kinda feel sorry for the anti-gankers, they're trying to do the thankless job of helping people who for the most part aren't even trying; against opponents that are extremely adept at what they do.

Dracvlad, putting forum animosity and meta game to one side; the gankers know the relevant mechanics inside out and back to front, for the most part they also know what it takes to counter them.

Don't take this the wrong way; roll an alt, join up with CODE., run some ganks and hyperdunks with them. Get to know, through taking part, exactly how they work rather than externally observing and drawing your own conclusions. They're using variations of traditional tactics, that have been developed and are used by others, that they've adapted and honed to work in specific circumstances.

I know that you partake of PvP in general but ganking and especially hyperdunking are somewhat niche.

As the old saying goes, knowledge is power. If you know exactly what you're dealing with, you should be able to come up with some counters that work.

I'd wager real money on one of the most effective counters being education though. Eve Uni obviously thought so, they recently got someone from CODE. in as a guest lecturer to educate their members about ganking and ganking avoidance.

I am one of those potential cash cows. I try not to get caught by making sure that I'm not worth killing because I'm a damn sight harder to catch and kill than the guy in the triple expanded hauler next to me; and a lot less profitable.

I have an isk limit on what I haul, I tank my ships, if what I want to move requires a freighter I outsource the risk to professionals with appropriate collateral. I never afk unless I'm either docked or in the process of docking, I know if gankers are in system before the gate cloak drops; because I've got standings to known corps, alliances and individuals set to terrible so that they show up both local and the overview if they're ongrid.

The balance is fine if you make sensible choices about what you haul and how you do it, it only becomes skewed when you don't. If you make bad choices then you should take responsibility for those choices when it all goes hideously wrong on you; personal responsibility is a thing, even in a game.

BTW it takes a lot more than a dozen frigates to kill the main target of hyperdunking, which is freighters.