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A question dealing with the 'Free-miner' haters
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Amana Tsasa
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2011-12-31 21:47:27 UTC
Now, I'm not necessarily saying I support or condemn the philosophy of the 'What I mine is free' crowd, I don't personally care about the philosophy one way or the other.

My question is, why do so many other people care?
Skorpynekomimi
#2 - 2011-12-31 22:22:04 UTC
Because they're being undercut.

Economic PVP
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#3 - 2011-12-31 22:27:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Krixtal Icefluxor
Amana Tsasa wrote:
Now, I'm not necessarily saying I support or condemn the philosophy of the 'What I mine is free' crowd, I don't personally care about the philosophy one way or the other.

My question is, why do so many other people care?


I've been wondering that for 2 years.

'Tis indeed pathological of a sort....................

One thing I've learned getting older is that most people are absolutely out of their minds. Always keep in mind with all things EVE and it's large population.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Bath Sheeba
Another Success Story
#4 - 2011-12-31 22:43:49 UTC
People care for the simple fact that the "minerals I mine are free" statement is untrue. it is against facts.

If people went around saying squares are round or the sun is made of water then others would and do say they are wrong.
Abdiel Kavash
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#5 - 2011-12-31 22:45:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Abdiel Kavash
If you see a guy smacking his head against a wall until he bleeds, do you not care or do you try to stop him from hurting himself?
Amana Tsasa
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2011-12-31 22:54:12 UTC
Bath Sheeba wrote:
People care for the simple fact that the "minerals I mine are free" statement is untrue. it is against facts.

If people went around saying squares are round or the sun is made of water then others would and do say they are wrong.


People go around saying all sorts of stuff is true that go against facts, but I have noticed that the 'minerals I mine are free' haters seem to be far more vocal about that point than the 'minerals I mine are free' miners.

Abdiel Kavash wrote:
If you see a guy smacking his head against a wall until he bleeds, do you not care or do you try to stop him from hurting himself?


I do not care, and while that may make me seem callous and cold, if that person is foolish enough to cause himself serious injury, then Natural Selection had him pegged far sooner than I ever could have gotten to him.
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#7 - 2011-12-31 23:24:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha
It's simple. Both are bad.

"Minerals I mine myself are free" guys are wasting someone else's (who understands the value of time) profits.

Those who flame the above (often it's other miners) are oblivious that there are always baddies everywhere. They should USE them to get cheap labor, not blame them while still subjecting themselves to the same cheap labor.

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Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2011-12-31 23:32:51 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
It's simple. Both are bad.

"Minerals I mine myself are free" guys are wasting someone else's (who understands the value of time) profits.

Those who flame the above (often it's other miners) are oblivious that there are always baddies everywhere. They should USE them to get cheap labor, not blame them while still subjecting themselves to the same cheap labor.



Bolded the important part.

The problem with the above statement is that we are talking about a GAME. If this were real life then yes theses business people would be idiots and run their "corps" into bankruptcy.

But EVE is a game. There is no set standard on a person's value of their time spent.

There are those in every MMO that simply like to craft. Sometimes they eve like to craft everything from scratch. Then they also don't care about competition and just want to sell their wares without hassle. For these players the time spent collecting the materials to craft their wares have an intrinsic value not in terms of opportunity cost, but in their game enjoyment.

Sure it is a flawed idea in a business framework. But honestly, I do that every day for my real job. I play EVE to escape that stuff (which is honestly why i can't get into the industrial side all that much).
Taedrin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2012-01-01 01:24:15 UTC
People are upset because they perceive that these people are keeping prices down on certain items which are not profitable to manufacture.

I would imagine that the reason these items are not profitable to manufacture is not because of the "minerals I mine are free" mentality, but instead because the items simply aren't in high enough demand.
Jas Dor
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2012-01-01 01:29:37 UTC
People who complain bout the free mineral crowd either a. lack the skill/ standings to do a perfect reprocess or b. are looking at a margin of less than 1%-0.5% on a reprocess to sell orders.
J Kunjeh
#11 - 2012-01-01 14:12:06 UTC
Don't these same whiners realize that playing Eve in any way represents a real life lost opportunity cost? Think of all the useful things one could be doing for themselves and humanity if they weren't wasting time devising how to build larger wallets in a stupid game! I mean, they might actually figure out how to make their RL wallets phatter if they put the same energy into RL as they did into Eve. Talk about high opportunity cost!

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FlinchingNinja Kishunuba
Crunchy Crunchy
#12 - 2012-01-01 22:06:06 UTC
Time is money people..... and there ain't no such thing as "free".
Covert Kitty
SRS Industries
#13 - 2012-01-01 23:23:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Covert Kitty
I think the reason I occasionally care enough to post on the subject, comes from feeling a mild offense at blatantly false reasoning, combined with a general desire to help people.
Woo Glin
State War Academy
Caldari State
#14 - 2012-01-01 23:30:04 UTC
lol you mine
Amana Tsasa
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#15 - 2012-01-01 23:32:10 UTC
Woo Glin wrote:
lol you mine


I do occasionally, but mostly I mission, even when I do mine, I don't typically build anything with it
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2012-01-02 00:19:15 UTC
Covert Kitty wrote:
I think the reason I occasionally care enough to post on the subject, comes from feeling a mild offense at blatantly false reasoning, combined with a general desire to help people.


Except the only flaw is that you are trying to apply real life reasoning to a game.
Gabba Cyno
#17 - 2012-01-02 00:56:15 UTC
People are stupid. Thats why!

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Tramp Oline
Dread Alliance Please Ignore
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#18 - 2012-01-02 07:04:17 UTC
PvPers are always jealous of miners and industrialists. Miners and industrialists are always rich and PvPers are always broke.
Tramp Oline
Dread Alliance Please Ignore
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#19 - 2012-01-02 07:10:41 UTC
Derath Ellecon wrote:
Covert Kitty wrote:
I think the reason I occasionally care enough to post on the subject, comes from feeling a mild offense at blatantly false reasoning, combined with a general desire to help people.


Except the only flaw is that you are trying to apply real life reasoning to a game.



This too. Eve is a game people. Stop trying to pretend it's real life. The money that I pay is to keep my subscription going for the month. I'm going to pay the same amount of money whether I spin my ship in the station all day or mine. Anything I do in game is free to me. The only thing that costs me is my subscription.
Ekaterina 'Ghetto' Thurn
Department 10
#20 - 2012-01-02 11:32:37 UTC
I can see both points of view. And I wholeheartedly agree that, whether you are in-game or in real life, you need to be enjoying what you are doing at work and/or home.

BUT on balance I have to side with those that state 'mined ore is NOT free'. If for no other reason than that it is purely a matter of logic. Those industrialists who work on the principle that mined ore IS free and either sell that ore on for less isk or manufacture goods and sell those on at an undervalued rate do indeed destroy the econony of New Eden. There is no question that is a one hundred percent cast iron factAttention

" They're gonna feel pretty stupid when they find out. " Rick. " Find out what ? " Abraham. " They're screwing with the wrong people. " Rick. Season four.   ' The Walking Dead. ' .
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