EVE New Citizens Q&A

What do you want to do?

If you just want ~fights~ join a newbie-friendly nullsec or lowsec corp. You can train for something like target painter or sensor linking on day one, hour one, and be able to contribute to a fight as ewar support. The corp will generally supply you with free skillbooks, ships, and modules. All you have to do is participate and enjoy your time with a good attitude.

you wanna shoot someone and just have fun, join faction warfare and buy a plex, worry about making isk some other time if possible.

they fly mostly frigates and t1 will be cheap and easy for you to get the hang of the game

Unless you end up being a station trader, a new player is probably wise to invest in "core skills".
Here is a link to give you the basics of that: http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Core_Skills

Consider also that each level of a skill that you train generally increases that capability by an equal amount. But it takes longer to train a skill from level 4 to level 5, than it does to train it from level 0 to level 4.

Specialized skills are generally a poor choice to start with by any true new player. Only a player with knowledge and experience can know what they will like to that extent in advance, and were you to so invest your time in training skills for a thing you later do not really enjoy, its a waste compared to what you could have spent that time developing.

You get a maximum of 3 characters on each account. You can only train one at a time unless you use a PLEX or a multiple pilot training certificate. It takes 1 of either of those to train 1 more character for 30 days.

With multiple characters training, you could focus each on something distinctive, and with real planning, and sufficient alt characters, you can train up a very talented and diverse group, with which you could do more than with any 1 character.

Eve is a game that rewards research, planning and goal setting, and which also punishes those who do not.

i am a dust refugee like yourself and i had the same concerns when i came over.

player skill > skill points.

with minimal training and a bit of guidance ,new pilots can (and are) be legitimately dangerous ,
there are plenty of roles you can be effective in with minimal training and have a real impact in a fight.

don't wait for your skills before trying something here, this thread should go some way as to explaining why.

this isnt an fps so your player skillls will need to be learned and a good way to do that is whilst you are restricted to cheap meta items (which are actually quite good I.E. i and my fellow vets frequently use them in our fits still) so dont get too hung up on sp.

a good attitude will get you much much further in eve than anything els.

welcome aboard

o7

Who ever told you that feels that they need skill points to compensate for lack of player skill IMHO. Yes skill points are nice and yes skill points open options for you but they are in no way as make or break as some player want to make them out to be.

There are players that have come to this game and racked up impressive killboard histories in their first two months. If you think that skill points are everything then every time you loose an ship in an engagement you'll blame it on your skill points and not learn anything. Fly cheap ships and learn from each loss. Understand that in this game experience is gained through loosing ships so each lost ship is a step in the right direction. Learn how to turn the odds in your favor instead of relying on skill points.

After 2 years you should be able to fly pretty much any sub capital ship in game pretty well. There is absolutely no need to have that as a prerequisite for success in PvP. Battleships take by far the longest to train for and they are not used that often in PvP. Stick to small and medium ships and you will be fine. It takes a while to learn this game and to me it seems like you earn skill points roughly at a rate which keeps them barely ahead of your personal player skills. What I am saying is that 2 months into this game when you are getting a grasp on how the game works you will have the skill points to do what you want.

Fun is subjective, but in my estimation the most enjoyable roles you can jump into without a super-long train are:

-Interdictor: Your job is to keep the enemy fleet in place. You accomplish this by burning suicidally into them and dropping warp disruption "bubbles," probes. The good news is: It's a destroyer and you can do magical things without training the t2 interdictor skill to V. The bad news is: There isn't any, being a dictor pilot is always awesome.

-Logistics: Your job is to keep the line members alive under fire. Sounds simple, but keeping up with broadcasts in a hairy situation ain't easy. The good news is: You don't need to train any weapon skills to become proficient, this sames a heap of training time if you want to be a vital fleet asset asap. The bad news is: You don't get on many killmails.

-Scout: Your job is to find stuff for the fleet to kill or run the hell away from. You accomplish this by warping around very quickly, possibly scanning with probes/combat probes, and relaying bookmarks and information back to the fleet leadership. The good news is: It's a frigate hull job (interceptors/covert ops) you can train into very quickly. The bad news is: Despite being billed as a big newbie role, it's extremely nuanced and requires a lot of training to not suck at it. Fleet commanders will berate you frequently as you learn.

-Ewar Support: Your job is to screw up the opponent's ships in an effort to render them ineffective at applying damage, targeting, or making them more vulnerable to your own fleet's damage. You accomplish this by using Electronic Warfare modules like sensor dampeners, ECM, target painters, webs, etc. The good news is: You can start filling this role within an hour of creating your character and a t1 ewar ship is generally the best way to start getting fleet invitations for reasons other than your shobon newbie novelty. The bad news is: There isn't any, getting started early is how you avoid becoming one of those cancerous skill-point-counting newbies who skulks around highsec collecting paltry tokens for isk until he's "ready to pvp," which is a day that never comes.

There is absolutely a thousand times more that I am leaving out there, but this is a general overview for your digestion. Per your suggestion that skills cost money: they don't if you join a corp that gives them away, which is most of them that are worth joining. If you aren't sure, just ask the recruiter if those are provided. If he says no, congratulate him on having a **** corp for new players and move on.

Hello Dust Brother,

Welcome to Eve. May you have a long and rewarding career here.



DMC

paper damage and actual applied damage are in no way the same thing. In eve gunnery there is a lot of managing ranges and transversal velocities and such. Knowing how to do this not only requires that you understand the gunnery mechanics but also the capabilities of your ship and the capabilities of your opponents ship as well as the result of how those figure into and against each other. Also need to understand ship piloting so that you can control those factors. So again it's more about your personal knowledge of the game rather than your skill points.

I mean that in the sense of; every Eve player had to pay money to even accrue SP. So I consider this a noteworthy thing to form a plan around. I have 14 odd dust accounts all out just accruing SP for free right now. I'll cycle around to them in turn over time and play different metas. Free. In Eve I am paying (losing the game) for every second I didn't or did plan in my training path.

I respond to you; as so far you have delivered the most substantive response to my question. In return your descriptions are roughly on par with a few of the various roles of drop suits in Dust and their common configurations.

As to how you worded your punctuating description of EWAR support; **** yes! You have my vote sir. Whatever you campaign for I'll vote for you.

My followup I suppose is simply:

From perspective of the current and elapsing metagame, with regards to fleet interactions; what line of EWAR would I be best to train into. I will easily look for ship bonus's to base other rounded decisions on; such as tank, and other modifiers. I learned in Dust that it is efficient and faster to racially spec on separate characters so I am looking to 'fold into a ship' to practice and get good with, grind on and become intimately familiar with; so I can stock and lose them with no real pain. (As it should be...)