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[JOVE OVSERVATORIES] Effect of Entosis on Observatories

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Liam Antolliere
Doomheim
#41 - 2015-07-02 14:22:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Liam Antolliere
Gleaned Information wrote:

YC105-5-29 - So fragile, these minds. So fleeting, their crimes.

YC106-12-20 - Step One: Build a Better Ant.

YC107-09-15 - Step Two: Kick over The Ant Hill.

YC108-09-26 - Step Three: Assess.

YC110-06-10 - Step Four: Reiterate.


YC105-5-29 = Global Amnesty granted to all capsuleers after a change in security status standards.

"Better Ant" could refer to the rise of the capsuleers as their popularity and influence began to grow noticeably around this time.

"Kicking Over the Ant Hill" seems to be a reference to the changes in trade patterns and capsuleer presence from Yulai to various empire systems, causing a massive change the global market economy and a rise in international competition.

"Assess" likely refers to the construction of the first capsuleer avatar which occurred on this date and seems consistent with the theme of the rising of capsuleer power, influence and prominence.

"Reiterate" addresses a day in which the cluster seemingly dissolved into chaos with the attacks on Yulai (again, another movement AGAINST Yulai) and the invasion of the Federation by Tibus Heth, the arrival of soon-to-be Empress Jamyl Sarum, the destruction of the Elder Fleet by the "super-weapon" aboard Sarum's ship, the "disappearance" of Chamberlain Karsoth, the "assassination" and replacement of several Republic government officials, and (most importantly) the establishment of CEMWPA) which seemed to once again emphasize the importance, prominence and influence of capsuleers.

The consistent theme of progression in these "steps" is the rising prominence, influence, power and notoriety of capsuleers throughout the cluster and the decentralization of power.

EDIT: Another consistent theme is the shifting of power within the cluster and the seeming systemic change of influence as well as changes within governments and a dramatic shift in national agendas following these changes.

"Though the people may hate me, that does not relieve me of my charge."

Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#42 - 2015-07-02 18:37:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Andreus Ixiris
These observatories have been around for centuries, and the absolute lower limit on the length of their observation is 232 years. The mention of the Azbel-Wuthrich experiment give us a firm date by which to compare YC with the dating system that the Jovians use, henceforth referred to as JC (Jovian Calendar). For reference, YC Year 117 correlates with JC Year 23353. This places the Yoiul Conference and thus the establishment of YC 0 on JC Year 23236.

Now, JC 23121 (232 years ago) is the absolute lowest possible bound on Jovian observation of the Gallente. However, if you give the relevant section a read...

Gleaned Information wrote:
23121-09-11 - Updated Gallente status provides a model for social cohesion. Suggest further observations are shared with Modifier enclaves.

... it becomes quite clear from the wording that the Jovians have been observing the Gallente for a while beforehand, as this is an "updated" status - not the first impression the Jovians had of them. It will also no doubt be obvious that JC 23121 coincides with 1702 AR (Age of Rouvenor) - the founding year of the Gallente Federation.

Gleaned Information wrote:
23216-06-06 - In position at Diemnon Planetesimal. Collating system scans. Source of burst unidentified. Team dispatched. Alert still in effect.

JC 23216 is also an important year - it's both the year of the Battle of Vak'Atioth and, subsequently, the year of the Minmatar Rebellion. I've seen scattered references to Diemnon Planetismal in the history of the Minmatar Rebellion but I'm sure Matari and Amarrian historians know more about it than I do.

A few relevant dates:

Circa JC 8000 - Approximate time of the prophet Dano Gheinok, the oldest human being whose existence can reliably be demonstrated. This is a ballpark estimate based on information available in public Theology Council archives.

JC 16470 - Crowning of Amash-Akura as the first Amarrian Emperor.

JC 17453 - Foundation of the Raata Empire on Caldari Prime.

JC 21290 - Amarr Empire builds their first stargate.

JC 21714 - Doule dos Rouvenor II establishes the Age of Rouvenor calendar.

JC 22355 - First contact between Amarr Empire and the Minmatar Tribes - i.e. Day of Darkness.

JC 22517 - First contact between the Gallente and the Caldari.

JC 22794 - First contact between the Gallente and the Intaki.

JC 22821 - Sotiyo-Urbaata drive built.

JC 23121 - Founding of the Gallente Federation.

JC 23154 - Caldari State secedes from the Gallente Federation.

JC 23155 - Gallente-Caldari war begins.

JC 23216 - Battle of Vak'Atioth and the Minmatar Rebellion.

JC 23236 - Yoiul Conference, YC calendar begins.

JC 23353 - Current date.

I've got some commentary on the calendar in a bit.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#43 - 2015-07-05 11:56:09 UTC
We're in JC 23353, which indicates that the Jovian Calendar dates back a very, very long time. We always suspected that they were an old civilization, but now we can be certain of it - they have (or at least had) access to historical records dating back thousands of years. But in particular, there's something remarkably interesting about the era around 15,000 years ago, or thereabouts - circa JC 8000.

Something very, very drastic happened to the atmosphere and soil tables of Caldari Prime at around this time. Since we discovered the science of terraforming, it was almost universally accepted that Caldari Prime was not originally habitable to humans (let's skip the "I wasn't aware it was habitable now!" jokes - we've heard them all before). Caldari Prime has almost no fossil record and a completely different geological history beyond 15,000 - 20,000 years ago; there's some margin for error in there, but it's clear that whatever happened happened very recently on a geological timescale. Soil samples from strata dated 50,000 years ago indicate there's no possible way the air could have been breathable back then, and atmospheres don't just suddenly change from icy, choking death to harsh, chilly but livable in the space of a couple of dozen milenia.

You see this pattern repeated all across New Eden - planets on the extreme edges of habitable zones, or planets way outside them that don't have fossil records or any suggestion of historical habitability beyond a few thousand years. There's also incredible genetic similarity between a few select species that we find throughout New Eden, but with the majority, there isn't.

What else happened round about 15,000 years ago? All of the ancient jump-gates were built very quickly in a 100-150 year period. Take that with the geological records and boom. We have a colonisation rush, just like we saw with the expansion of the Gallente, Caldari and Intaki a few hundred years ago.

What does this mean about the Jovian calendar? Well, only that it seems to predate the probable beginnings of human settlement in the New Eden cluster by roughly eight thousand years.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Corraidhin Farsaidh
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#44 - 2015-07-05 13:23:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Corraidhin Farsaidh
If the Jove have records from 15000 years ago doesn't that place those records just after the collapse of the EvE gate? If those records are from Jove observatories that would surely make the Jove the immediate descendents (if not simply renamed) Terrans?
Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#45 - 2015-07-05 13:44:01 UTC
There we pass even deeper into the realm of speculation and guesswork, I'm afraid.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Borascus
#46 - 2015-07-05 18:00:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Borascus
As I understood it, the Yoiul conference also had a segment of discourse on the resolution of Eden Standard Time, with the Jove and Amarr having the most detailed records, including the 23xxx dating references as their contribution.

If you visit Mishi IV they also have a historical record indicating several comets impacted the planet and that it would not have been habitable, at all, beforehand. Though, they date these impacts to roughly 20,000 years ago - which would be ~3500 on the calendar used as supporting documents prior to the formation of the Yoiul Conference dating system.

The inhabitants of Mishi IV ascribe this process to terrforming. It does seem a bit early to be realistic though.
Silverdaddy
Ourapheh Holdings
#47 - 2015-07-16 00:15:19 UTC
Has there been any formal compilation of the gleaned information fragments?

Today I rummaged the data of a Jovian Observatory in one system, and obtained 33 fragments. There were, however, only 10 unique sets of records. Some are, as noted earlier, direct observations. Others are statements of consequence, more evaluative in nature, such as:
"Gleaned Information" wrote:

YC105-12-22 - Give them tools and they may evolve.

YC106-03-11 - Give them symbols and they may stagnate.

YC107-07-05 - ...recommend discarding current primary node for that model.

YC108-05-16 - They only notice small tragedies.

YC109-01-12 - They let names define their perceptions.

YC110-12-25 - Give them what they want and it may destroy them.

YC111-03-10 - Self-interest continues to outweigh self-sacrifice.

YC112-03-04 - Does this duplicate portions of the Skarkon model?


The above was the data that had the highest frequency of occurrence. Does that hold for other observers as well? Is there a statistically valid difference in frequency in these data fragments?

I look forward to conducting further observations on other observatories. I might try a system in a different region, to see if there is different data available.

The problem with slavery is that only half of the manacles are visible. The Holder, supposed master, is equally bound by the gilded chains of privilege and wealth.

Silverdaddy
Ourapheh Holdings
#48 - 2015-07-16 00:26:46 UTC
References to "disruption events" labelled "Apoptosis" and "Cathexis" are intriguing...

"Apoptosis" is the formal term for programmed cell death. Luckily we capsuleers have a way around that unfortunate eventuality. Obviously this is a metaphorical reference, but I wonder as to what...

According to Galnet reference materials, "cathexis" is defined as the process of investment of mental or emotional energy in a person, object, or idea.

So much to ponder now. I need to review the events associated with these dates (or thereabouts) to make inferences.

"Gleaned Information" wrote:
YC105-5-29 - So fragile, these minds. So fleeting, their crimes.

YC106-12-20 - Step One: Build a Better Ant.

YC107-09-15 - Step Two: Kick over The Ant Hill.

YC108-09-26 - Step Three: Assess.

YC109-06-23 - Models indicate that virions have spread beyond those five systems.

YC110-06-10 - Step Four: Reiterate.

YC111-03-10 - 'Defect-mediated turbulence'?

YC112-12-13 - Disruption Event Identified. Type: Infiltration Disclosure. Subtype: Wedge Mirror. Actor: True Power. Targeted Interstice: CONCORD - Capsuleer Cohort. Motivation:...

YC113-07-07 - Disruption Event Identified. Type: Resource Shift. Subtype: Need Further Data. Actor: Need Further Data. Targeted Interstice: 4 Potentials. 1)...

YC114-05-14 - They are not yet acknowledging the pattern.

YC115-03-22 - Disruption Event Identified. Type: Apoptosis...

YC116-01-01 - Disruption Event Identified. Type: Cathexis...

YC117-01-12 - They could not predict this?

YC111 - Capsuleer espionage detected.

YC108 - 'Titan' class vessel detected. Receiving data.

YC112 - Sansha activity registered.

YC107 - Destination: Vak'Atioth.

YC110 - "Thanks sweetie, but that's all right. I'll only be a few minutes."

YC105 - Location: Rethan. Class: Yacht. Maker: Viziam.

The problem with slavery is that only half of the manacles are visible. The Holder, supposed master, is equally bound by the gilded chains of privilege and wealth.

Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#49 - 2015-07-16 01:55:32 UTC
"Gleaned Information" wrote:
YC110 - "Thanks sweetie, but that's all right. I'll only be a few minutes."

Wait a second, why does this quotation seem eerily familiar?

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Silverdaddy
Ourapheh Holdings
#50 - 2015-07-16 06:46:42 UTC
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
"Gleaned Information" wrote:
YC110 - "Thanks sweetie, but that's all right. I'll only be a few minutes."

Wait a second, why does this quotation seem eerily familiar?


I see what you did there. Or what you were implying you did, just moments before. Blink

The problem with slavery is that only half of the manacles are visible. The Holder, supposed master, is equally bound by the gilded chains of privilege and wealth.

Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#51 - 2015-07-17 09:29:50 UTC
I'm not sure I follow you.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

James Vayne
Section 9 SFU
#52 - 2015-07-17 09:43:51 UTC
Silverdaddy wrote:


YC107-07-05 - ...recommend discarding current primary node for that model.


This refers to the assassination of Doriam II. "Model" is the Amarr Empire. "Primary Node" is that Empire's Leader.
James Vayne
Section 9 SFU
#53 - 2015-07-17 11:35:20 UTC
Here is the information on the Jovian Observations by our Research Cluster

PART 1

Jovian Observatory Data wrote:
YC105-5-29 - So fragile, these minds. So fleeting, their crimes.


Analysis: Refers to DED new legislation against Piracy.


Jovian Observatory Data wrote:
YC106-12-20 - Step One: Build a Better Ant.


Refers to the defeat of the deep space starbase issues by CONCORD.

Jovian Observatory Data wrote:
YC107-09-15 - Step Two: Kick over The Ant Hill.


Refers o the attack on the Vitoc shipment bound to Amarr.

Jovian Observatory Data wrote:
YC108-09-26 - Step Three: Assess.


Refers to the theft of a Hel-Class Supercarrier by the Defiants.

Jovian Observatory Data wrote:
YC109-06-23 - Models indicate that virions have spread beyond those five systems.


Refers to the riots orchestrated by the Brothers of Freedom within the Calderi State.
James Vayne
Section 9 SFU
#54 - 2015-07-17 11:36:07 UTC
PART 2:



Jovian Observatory Data wrote:
YC110-06-10 - Step Four: Reiterate.


Refers to the invasion of Yulai by the Minmatar-Thukker fleet and its following events.


Jovian Observatory Data wrote:
YC111-03-10 - 'Defect-mediated turbulence’?


Refers to the Sisters of Eve warning concerning the emergence of unstable wormholes.

Jovian Observatory Data wrote:
YC112-12-13 - Disruption Event Identified. Type: Infiltration Disclosure. Subtype: Wedge Mirror. Actor: True Power. Targeted Interstice: CONCORD - Capsuleer Cohort. Motivation:…


Refers to Sansha’s Nation success in opening a wormhole into Empire Space.



Jovian Observatory Data wrote:
YC113-07-07 - Disruption Event Identified. Type: Resource Shift. Subtype: Need Further Data. Actor: Need Further Data. Targeted Interstice: 4 Potentials. 1)…


Refers to Sansha Kuvakei’s extraction of core samples in the Yulai system.

Jovian Observatory Data wrote:
YC114-05-14 - They are not yet acknowledging the pattern.


Refers to the emergance of Clone Troopers.
James Vayne
Section 9 SFU
#55 - 2015-07-17 11:36:53 UTC
PART 3:


Jovian Observatory Data wrote:
YC115-03-22 - Disruption Event Identified. Type: Apoptosis…


Refers to the Battle of Calder Prime.

Jovian Observatory Data wrote:
YC116-01-01 - Disruption Event Identified. Type: Cathexis…


Refers to discovery and investigation (called the ‘Research Race of YC116’) of Stellar Anomaly in UUA-F4/W477-P systems.

Jovian Observatory Data wrote:
YC117-01-12 - They could not predict this?


Refers to the battle of B-R5RB.

Jovian Observatory Data wrote:
YC111 - Capsuleer espionage detected.


Refers to the industrial espionage of Hyasyoda’s Corporate Police Force within the Caldari State.

Jovian Observatory Data wrote:
YC108 - 'Titan' class vessel detected. Receiving data.


Refers to the devastation of Reschard V by an Avatar Class Titan.
Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#56 - 2015-07-17 11:37:26 UTC
Doriam II was assassinated YC 107-07-11. Assuming "discarding the primary node" refers to this (and not something else - even in death, the Jovians are nothing if not cryptic), then the murder took place only six days after the Jovians initially suggested it. That means they were able to orchestrate the death of the most powerful public figure in the cluster with less than a weak of notice and leave no trace or even suspicion of their involvement - well, beyond the normal paranoid suspicion that the Jovians were behind every major event in the cluster.

... although with these recent revelations, it's hard to shake the feeling that that suspicion might not have been as delusional as we initially believed...

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

James Vayne
Section 9 SFU
#57 - 2015-07-17 11:37:39 UTC
PART 4:



Jovian Observatory Data wrote:
YC112 - Sansha activity registered.


Refers to the increase of attacks on citizens of New Eden by Sansha’s Nation.

Jovian Observatory Data wrote:
YC107 - Destination: Vak'Atioth.


Refers to the Battle of Vak’Atioth.

Jovian Observatory Data wrote:
YC110 - "Thanks sweetie, but that's all right. I'll only be a few minutes."


Refers to the last words spoken by Admiral Alexander Noir to his wife shortly before his death.

Jovian Observatory Data wrote:
YC105 - Location: Rethan. Class: Yacht. Maker: Viziam.


Refers to the discovery of a derelict yacht in the Rethan system by Bix Arrimida.
Liam Antolliere
Doomheim
#58 - 2015-07-17 11:41:33 UTC
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
"Gleaned Information" wrote:
YC110 - "Thanks sweetie, but that's all right. I'll only be a few minutes."

Wait a second, why does this quotation seem eerily familiar?


From my understanding, these were the supposed last words of the late Admiral Alexander Noir.

This is assuming you prescribe to the theory that Admiral Noir was dead before the Wandering Saint smashed into the Malkalen station and that the pilot of that vessel was not actually him but a replacement.

"Though the people may hate me, that does not relieve me of my charge."

Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#59 - 2015-07-17 11:43:11 UTC
James Vayne wrote:
Jovian Observatory Data wrote:
YC107 - Destination: Vak'Atioth.


Refers to the Battle of Vak’Atioth.


The Battle of Vak'Atioth occured in YC -20. This entry must relate to something different.

James Vayne wrote:
Jovian Observatory Data wrote:
YC110 - "Thanks sweetie, but that's all right. I'll only be a few minutes."


Refers to the last words spoken by Admiral Alexander Noir to his wife shortly before his death.

Wait, are you sure? What's your source for this?

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Liam Antolliere
Doomheim
#60 - 2015-07-17 11:51:55 UTC
Nothing concrete, Ixiris. That's why I say the "supposed" last words, the only sources I've seen referencing that phrase were news clips, conspiracy articles and hearsay.

It seems too convenient to pass it off as merely coincidence that the Jovian Observatories have this exact phrase recorded but I also can't think of any other significant point in history in which that phrase is even alluded to.

"Though the people may hate me, that does not relieve me of my charge."