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Un-neccessary and or illeagle ganking in High Sec

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Domino Vyse
FeedingMachine
War and Wormhole
#21 - 2015-07-17 05:32:13 UTC
Could I get a tl;dr?
Orlacc
#22 - 2015-07-17 05:33:03 UTC
"The Peaceful Players?" Wrong game I am afraid.


"Measure Twice, Cut Once."
Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#23 - 2015-07-17 05:38:43 UTC
Omar Alharazaad wrote:
ouchie. is there a killmail for the webbing alt as well?
just curious. this is my dinnertime reading, so I like to get all the facts when I can.


Or... wait for it. wait for it...
Let me guess, there is not such a mail because there was no webbing alt, nor a scout that could have said 'oh, hay. there's like over 10 CODE. people in UEDAMA. I wonder what they're doing?'

Must consult my Magic 8 Ball.
Roll


Exactly.

I exercise more care taking a ship into Uedama than I do taking a ship into Olletiers (lowsec system that's on the shortest safe Jita to Dodixie route). And I do that despite me and my alts being blue to the main ganking alliance.

I support the New Order and CODE. alliance. www.minerbumping.com
Tolui Azaph
Tiny Maids Provisional Unit
#24 - 2015-07-17 06:03:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Tolui Azaph
What people like you fail to realize is that your actions can be just as offensive to others as what the gankers did to you.
As a hauler, I find it infuriating that you fly a fail-fit freighter with no support ships of any kind through the most dangerous system in the game during peak ganking hours and still have the audacity to call yourself a victim of unfair behaviour.
Friend, you made every single mistake and you deserved to lose your ship.
Removing risk from hauling would also remove the reward, meaning that people who actually take their time to learn the game and act accordingly by taking the appropriate precautions would have to lose any benefit for doing so and make as much ISK as the incompetent, lazy "pilots" who don't even bother to be at the keyboard.
The profession is already a mess. Years of practical highsec safety and relative ease of access made it so courier contracts have appallingly low ISK/hour ratio, especially considering the ridiculous investments required, even for groups like red frog.
What we need is more ganks, not less. Those who can't keep up will be forced to leave the trade to those able to adapt.
With increased risks and reduced competition, prices will rise.
Make no mistake. Those who act to slow this progress don't just fight for their own safety.
You do so at the cost of other people's gaming experience.
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
Safety.
#25 - 2015-07-17 06:40:41 UTC
Calm down citizen! Can I have your stuff, you don't need it anymore if you quit?

Evil RatKid
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
Safety.
#26 - 2015-07-17 06:52:30 UTC
Domino Vyse wrote:
Could I get a tl;dr?

His Freighter was killed pobably because he was not willing to protect his assets. Now he is crying for CCP to change the game so he can continue to not playing it. The usual you know

Evil RatKid
Capt Starfox
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#27 - 2015-07-17 06:52:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Capt Starfox
Tase Ahashion wrote:
Hello,

You folks have a group of individuals in game that refer to something they call "the CODE". Now what these folks like to do is gank mainly industry and mining ships without warning and then proceed to tell you that you were in violation of their code. They then demand 10 million ISK per pilot, per year for them to leave you alone provided that you do not violate another of their rules as they deem suitable to their needs. They come off sounding like religious zealots. Quoting there leaders name that I cant mention in this forum they feel they are completely justified in their harassing behaviour toward other pilots and claim that high sec is entirely their property with out regard to anyone but themselves. Now if they were in low or null sec I could understand their position, but they are not, they operate exclusively in high sec. They claim they are making high sec a better place for everyone in game and I don't believe that. The problem being that they are making high sec just as dangerous as low sec or null sec. The next point is, What is the purpose of concord when these folks do what they please? They don't care if they get blown up which makes them even more dangerous.
Thank you for your help.
Straight


Hello Tase.

1. Aggression against players in Highsec is allowed.

2. If you lack a permit and not compliant, you risk ship and/or pod removal. This includes all ships that mine, or use minerals directly or indirectly to operate. Since each ship was built using minerals, each ship falls under the Law of Highsec.

3. His name is James 315 and he is the savior of Highsec. He also owns all of Highsec. #codesov4life

4. Please use more space to separate your paragraphs next time.

5. It is not considered harassment to point and laugh at someone who deserved to lose their ship. This happens all across Eve and numerous third party sites. Look through my lossmails long enough and you'll find something to laugh at. It's happened to us all.

6. There is nothing wrong with creating content and making Highsec less safe. Even if that means conflicting with your style of game-play. This is a sandbox after-all. Welcome to the Sandbox(tm).

7. Concord, often times compared to IRL police, are meant to punish -not protect-. Protection comes from you, the player and your corp, alliance and coalition if you belong to one; but, first and foremost it begins with the player him or herself.


Tase Ahashion wrote:

CCP has given the wrong doers all the power anymore and the peaceful people are given no regard whatsoever. This is what is unacceptable. You must give the peaceful people some regard. It is only fair. The answer you just gave me is a carbon copy of the exact same answer you have given several other people in game. Now while logging in everyday I have noticed that the number of people that log in is steadily declining. How long are you going to sit on your hands and let the bad guys and gals have all the fun and drive out all the good players. Depending on the outcome of this conversation CCP is going to lose even more players due to their unwillingness to help out. Your constant quote of "Due to the sandbox nature of the game" is no longer acceptable nor is it even relavent to the players that literally suffer at the hands of the GANKERS. According to your own rules, which I have read, this behavior is unacceptable, and the offending players will be spoken to and or banned depending on their attitude toward you folks. Just once I would like to see the GM's and CCP abide to their own rules. I have been in this game for many years and there is no other game like it. My friends and I have put up with many changes in game, some good some bad. and yet we stayed. The situation has now become intolerable with the allowance of these ganker gangs, that needs to be addressed. The complacent attitude you and your other GM's have taken is costing CCP revenue. In actual fact, I would like to speak with somebody that is a part of CCP management. Although I doubt that will ever happen. The peaceful players of this game are BEGGING for mercy. There is just too much evil transpiring in game anymore. PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE help. My friends and I love this game and really don't want to leave it, but if nothing is done we must leave. I for one come into game to relax, but lately the game is no longer relaxing, it has become extremely taxing on the people. Again I beg you to please help, otherwise we are going to leave.
Thank You for hearing me out.

Tase Ahashion Straight


1. You couldn't be more wrong, it's sad. Over the years CCP has buffed Highsec and nerfed aggression.

2. Do you understand what the term "sandbox" means when used to describe a video-game? I take it you don't and you should look it up.

3. Ganker gangs? I like it.

Real talk: Sit down. It's all your fault. You took a Freighter with no cargo through Uedama with modules that reduced your tank and died because of the mistakes you made. The ability to avoid being ganked is at your fingertips, but you would rather CCP hand you everything and do it for you.

Why did you fit 2 expanded cargohold II's on an empty Freighter? Why didn't you fit Reinforced Bulkheads, or at least Inertia Stabilizers? Why didn't you scout Uedama? Why didn't you bring your corpmates to help move the Freighter seeing as this Freighter was important to you? Why didn't you plan an event with said corpmates? Why didn't a corpmate web the Freighter? Why didn't the corpmates scout?

Do you see where this is going? Mistakes were made because you failed to use the assets you had available to you and now you're demanding CCP intervention.

I hope you bounce back from this, I really do, but this isn't CCP's fault, this is your fault because you didn't check the system on the star-map, scout, fit a tank and so on and now you need to learn this lesson the hard-way. Welcome to Eve.

Abandon all hope ye who x up in fleet
Omar Alharazaad
New Eden Tech Support
#28 - 2015-07-17 07:00:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Omar Alharazaad
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
Omar Alharazaad wrote:
ouchie. is there a killmail for the webbing alt as well?
just curious. this is my dinnertime reading, so I like to get all the facts when I can.


Or... wait for it. wait for it...
Let me guess, there is not such a mail because there was no webbing alt, nor a scout that could have said 'oh, hay. there's like over 10 CODE. people in UEDAMA. I wonder what they're doing?'

Must consult my Magic 8 Ball.
Roll


Exactly.

I exercise more care taking a ship into Uedama than I do taking a ship into Olletiers (lowsec system that's on the shortest safe Jita to Dodixie route). And I do that despite me and my alts being blue to the main ganking alliance.


The thing is I do feel a bit of sympathy for the newer player who drives their t1 hauler into lowsec unscouted and gets popped. It's frustrating, but it's also part of the learning curve. It's also happened to me at least once if not two or three times in my career... I can be a slow learner at times. That's fine, it is part of the game and sometimes you lose when you gamble.

Freighter pilots are a different story though. With a freighter you're talking about a sizeable investment of both time and isk to get the thing up and running. Need factors in as well, being that they are only really handy for carrying large quantities of resources, also representing a healthy investment of isk and time usually.

By the time said pilot has this all settled and ready to rock they should have at least bothered to learn how to do the thing they plan on doing. Routes have to be scrutinized and possible hazards need to be assessed. Identify those groups that are likely to try to harm you mid-route and flag them red as a baboon's backside. A suitable escort needs to be arranged for each trip, as these ships are not meant to operate solo. A scout to ensure the way is clear. A webber to expedite warps, reducing the freighter's exposure time in any given system. While not necessary, it's also a very good idea to have a friendly logistics ship or two riding shotgun as well to provide emergency reps if things DO go wrong...

There are even more safeguards that can be put in place to further reduce explosion enroute, but I'm not going to go into them.
The bottom line is that protecting one's investment in these cases is not really that hard, it just takes some teamwork and forethought. People being lazy, stupid, antisocial, or just too cheap to hire an escort are the ones allowing their big shiny loot balloons to be violated with impunity.

And then they come crying here.

Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
Major Triscuits
Doomheim
#29 - 2015-07-17 07:33:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Major Triscuits
Your freighter was wrecked a month ago and just now you you're coming to the forums to whine about it?

This air is thick of bait.
Domino Vyse
FeedingMachine
War and Wormhole
#30 - 2015-07-17 08:52:21 UTC
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
Domino Vyse wrote:
Could I get a tl;dr?

His Freighter was killed pobably because he was not willing to protect his assets. Now he is crying for CCP to change the game so he can continue to not playing it. The usual you know


Thanks mate. Glad I wasn't forced to read that trash.
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#31 - 2015-07-17 09:16:11 UTC
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