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Newish player looking on advice blitzing L3
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Kitty Bear
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#21 - 2015-07-15 15:37:32 UTC
The isk/hour benefit from L4's mostly comes from the LP conversion into ISK

Of course it's all dependant on the items available in the LP store of your chosen corp
SoE has the Launcher & Probes which still gives excellent rations despite their popularity
people generally keep quiet about excellent store conversions .. for obvious reasons



of course all this is just my opinion
hence the penultimate line in my op.



I have no solid numbers to back anything up
but I believe both L4's and FW are more isk efficient than L3's after taking LP conversions into account
feel free to post reliable data that proves me wrong
I don't mind being wrong
Ion Kirst
KIRSTONE ALLIANCE
#22 - 2015-07-15 23:23:38 UTC
The difference of running L3 for LPs, or running L4s for LPs, really depends on how much time and effort you want to use.

For example:

Let's say I run a L4 mission in my Golem, I only have time to run one mission, and let's say it takes about 30min. In that 30 min, the LPs, at max, might be about 8900. For my agent, 8900 is about the most I can get.

Instead of running one L4, let's say I want to BLITZ some L3s in my Tengu. LPs in L3s can run from about 500 to 1800. It's all in the luck of the draw of what missions you get.

I'm going to have to run a lot of L3s to make 8900 LPs in that 30min.

So does a person just sit back, run one L4, collect 8900 LPs, plus bounties, or do I run, with my hair on fire, back and forth to my agent or agents several times, collecting much smaller amts of LPs and bounties?

Will I be lazy, or run about like a maniac? Depends on my mood.

It is something to consider though.

-Kirst



Always remember Tovil-Toba, and what was done there.
Market McSelling Alt
Doomheim
#23 - 2015-07-16 05:10:49 UTC
Ion Kirst wrote:
The difference of running L3 for LPs, or running L4s for LPs, really depends on how much time and effort you want to use.

For example:

Let's say I run a L4 mission in my Golem, I only have time to run one mission, and let's say it takes about 30min. In that 30 min, the LPs, at max, might be about 8900. For my agent, 8900 is about the most I can get.

Instead of running one L4, let's say I want to BLITZ some L3s in my Tengu. LPs in L3s can run from about 500 to 1800. It's all in the luck of the draw of what missions you get.

I'm going to have to run a lot of L3s to make 8900 LPs in that 30min.

So does a person just sit back, run one L4, collect 8900 LPs, plus bounties, or do I run, with my hair on fire, back and forth to my agent or agents several times, collecting much smaller amts of LPs and bounties?

Will I be lazy, or run about like a maniac? Depends on my mood.

It is something to consider though.

-Kirst





Yes and no... There is far more multi-agent stations for lvl3 then there is for lvl4

It takes on average 3:30 to run a lvl3 and 24m to run a lvl4 from what I have done... therefore I can run 7 lvl3's in the time it takes to run 1 lvl4. That is undock to dock... now if I were to run Suroken or Halle or Nog or any of the tripple agent systems... I hope you are getting the point.

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Ion Kirst
KIRSTONE ALLIANCE
#24 - 2015-07-16 09:32:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Ion Kirst
Market,

I've BLITZed my L3 missions out of Suroken. So even though there are 3 L3 agents there, you still are stuck with what they offer, the luck of the draw. With that, you are also stuck with the LPs they offer, which could be on the low side.

I also know very well how long it takes to BLITZ L3 missions. (I matched my times in a Tengu against Stoic's Mac, and beat almost all of his times.)

What was your point? You run 7 L3s in 30 min. -easily done. But that means you are averaging 1200 LPs per mission? (If you're going for 8900 LPs in 30min). Good luck with that one, because that is not going to happen. If you have to decline missions hoping to get a higher LP mission, then you still may not get what you want. Then you're stuck with what is offered. If you have to race over to another system, then you just wasting time.

You also could get 5 missions in a row that offer 1800LPs, but that's not going to happen either.

I will BLITZ some missions later, and thru the luck of the draw, see what I get, and what I can do in 30 min. I may even do it a few times just to get a good average. I will post my results.

You didn't get my point.

-Kirst

Always remember Tovil-Toba, and what was done there.
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#25 - 2015-07-16 18:46:20 UTC
suroken is a 0.7 so first the LP isn't great, and second it is CN LP which is more or less worthless. I have 1.1m+ lp with a similar store that I just cba to cash out on. Maybe if I was running lv5s and getting 70k lp/mission...

as far as lv4s go, burner (pirate and team) missions are 5-10 mins for 150% max lp and 10mil bounty, the burner bases are a little longer, but have 15-20mil bounty. and out of the missions I accept 6 mins is a long one (hint, void blaster kronos, or warp speed rigged arty mach). the isk or lp usually aren't as good, but they keep my standings good.

if you are doing like 500 dps and taking 30 mins for a mediocre mission making 4000 lp, then yea you are probably better off in lv3s where you can do 5 in the same time and make more lp.

I'll admit I made the jump too fast, then again if I didn't have to waste a mil or w/e sp on learning skills I would have probably been better off.

@ChainsawPlankto on twitter
GordonO
BURN EDEN
#26 - 2015-07-16 19:30:40 UTC
Drone boats don't blitz well, if you use sentries you cant move and if you use other drones there is travel time. You need something like a mach that does good dps at range and is fast, you also get a spare high in a mach for the times you need to grab something that has dropped and can be aligned out while you grab the cans.
And yes a mach can blitz even lvl1's

... What next ??
Ion Kirst
KIRSTONE ALLIANCE
#27 - 2015-07-17 12:32:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Ion Kirst
Well, I was wrong.

I ran two L4 missions last night. They took about 27 min., and I made about 9300 LPs.

I then ran L3s for about 27min. The LPs varied between 450 and 2200. I think the total LPs was about 8800.

Close enough.

The missions were by luck of the draw in both instances.

I will post the actual numbers later, when I get home and edit this post.

Still, running that many L3s in a row is hectic. It's hard to keep that pace up, and that's what I was talking about.

-Kirst

OK. Here’s the results: as I said, this is only to give an example of what can be randomly done.

I did two L4 missions in my Golem. One was Gone Berserk, the other was Damsel in Distress. The LPs totaled 9744, and the missions took 27m10s.

My alt runs the Tengu in Suroken and did 7 L3 missions in just over 28m. Close enough for this example. The missions were: Pick your Poison, 1948 LP; Success comes at a Price, 416 LP; What Comes Around, 500 LP; Driving a Wedge 1 of 2, 1148 LP; Driving a Wedge, 2 of 2, 2041 LP; Stop the Thief, 487 LP; and Cut Throat Comp., 2270 LP. For a total of 8810 LPs.

I was actually surprised that for this example I got some of the L3 missions with some of the highest LPs. Even with 3 agents to choose from, you can only choose so much.

So that’s the comparison, and it looked pretty even. But the difference is doing many more L3 missions compared to the same time in running L4s.

I’m not even going to mention the much higher bounties in the L4s either.

So, see what works best for you. You will only find out what you can do for yourself.

-Kirst

Always remember Tovil-Toba, and what was done there.
Estella Osoka
Cranky Bitches Who PMS
#28 - 2015-07-17 13:51:36 UTC
Kitty Bear wrote:
The isk/hour benefit from L4's mostly comes from the LP conversion into ISK

Of course it's all dependant on the items available in the LP store of your chosen corp
SoE has the Launcher & Probes which still gives excellent rations despite their popularity
people generally keep quiet about excellent store conversions .. for obvious reasons



of course all this is just my opinion
hence the penultimate line in my op.



I have no solid numbers to back anything up
but I believe both L4's and FW are more isk efficient than L3's after taking LP conversions into account
feel free to post reliable data that proves me wrong
I don't mind being wrong


FW missions will net you more LP per hour. However, all the missions are in lowsec and a beacon lights up for all to see when you warp to the mission. Lvl 5 missions will net you even more if done right, but they are also in lowsec.
Ion Kirst
KIRSTONE ALLIANCE
#29 - 2015-07-18 00:18:00 UTC
Well, now I'm right . . .

Ran a few more L3s, and pickings weren't so ripe this time.

As I said, everything is in the luck of the draw.

So again, I'm trying to do as many missions as possible in about 27min. and earn 9744 in LPs for that is what my Golem did.

Numbers didn't come out as good as the first time, but I feel this is more typical:

Tengu did 9 L3 missions in about 29 min. After the 8th mission, the timer was at 26m40s, and I only had earned 3676 LPs. So I ran one more, for a total of 4875.

Success Comes at a Price, 416 LPs; Eliminate the Pirate Campers, 840 LPs; What Comes Around, 500 LPs; Silence the Informant, 1620 LPs; The Good Word, 1090 LPs; Stop the Thief, 487 LPs; Driving a Wedge 1 of 2, 1148 LPs; Driving a Wedge 2 0f 2, 2041 LPs; Lights Out, 1199 LPs.

So now you can see a drastic difference of comparing L3s to L4s.

I don't think I have to do any more, the numbers speak for themselves, and your always allowed to interpret them in any way you wish.

-Kirst

Always remember Tovil-Toba, and what was done there.
Paranoid Loyd
#30 - 2015-07-18 00:31:21 UTC
OK now run them with the skills OP has, and see what you can do. Blink

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

Fix the Prospect!
Ion Kirst
KIRSTONE ALLIANCE
#31 - 2015-07-18 15:12:53 UTC
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
OK now run them with the skills OP has, and see what you can do. Blink



With a one month old character, the OP has got a long way to go to. At this point, he shouldn't be thinking about L4s, other than something to aim for if he/she decides.

I was responding to Kitty, who wanted some solid numbers, and to others, as I didn't see anyone else putting up their numbers.

Oh, and to get some people hot . . . the Mach is not king of L3s anymore.

-Kirst

Always remember Tovil-Toba, and what was done there.
Demerius Xenocratus
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2015-07-18 18:25:30 UTC
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
OK now run them with the skills OP has, and see what you can do. Blink


Aye "blitzing" is not really a possibility for such a new guy. My best income early on came from running and looting faction missions with good tag drops, before I discovered how worthless Fed Navy LP was. Anything not SoE or faction militia is pretty worthless.
Paranoid Loyd
#33 - 2015-07-18 18:43:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
Ion Kirst wrote:
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
OK now run them with the skills OP has, and see what you can do. Blink



With a one month old character, the OP has got a long way to go to. At this point, he shouldn't be thinking about L4s, other than something to aim for if he/she decides.

I was responding to Kitty, who wanted some solid numbers, and to others, as I didn't see anyone else putting up their numbers.
Fair enough, just saw the thread getting away from what the OP asked. Wanted to bring it into perspective.

So I guess the question becomes, while OP is doing his best at inefficiently running level 3s, would it be more preferable to train to be able to properly blitz level 3s or just skip that and focus on training to run level 4s?

For me it was the latter, but concepts such as blitzing were not even on my radar at that time.

I never really ran missions strictly for isk, mostly for standings or to pass some time when I didn't have enough time to do something more involved, so in retrospect I probably would have done the former had I been aware of the path. But if you are running to make isk, level 4s are probably the way to go.

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

Fix the Prospect!
Ion Kirst
KIRSTONE ALLIANCE
#34 - 2015-07-18 23:52:55 UTC
Since I've been with EVE, running missions mostly has been my bread and butter. I've tried many things but I've always come back to the missions. I have run thousands of missions over the last 7+ years.

I think the OP should keep training to L3s efficiently, almost to the point where they become boring. By then, maybe he will have most of the support skills needs that will also be needed in BSs in L4s.

One thing to point out though, what is the OPs source of income? I literally worked my way up, earning every isk to buy that first Raven. (that I lost after just a few missions) Please don't buy your way thru.

It isn't that easy for everyone to convert their LPs into isk. When I ran L3s, I concentrated on salvaging my wrecks, and trying to sell the salvage.

I don't want to discourage the OP, but it will take a lot of L3 missions, to make enough to buy and outfit a BS. But that is OK, because in the meantime, he can be training his skills.

It's a progression, one step at a time. If you try and rush things, one may pay the consequences. (lose a ship) EVE is an investment in time.

So, IMHO, I advise the OP not to worry about the LPs at this time, so don't blitz your L3 missions yet. Try and squeeze out every thing you can from every mission that is run. Consider the LPs an extra. Use them to buy implants, mods or ammo. Then when you get into L4s, the LPs will really start adding up, and you'll be looking around to buy something that will sell fairly quickly, and make you at least 1500 per point.

-Kirst

Always remember Tovil-Toba, and what was done there.
Kitty Bear
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#35 - 2015-07-20 22:10:05 UTC
Ion Kirst wrote:
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
OK now run them with the skills OP has, and see what you can do. Blink



With a one month old character, the OP has got a long way to go to. At this point, he shouldn't be thinking about L4s, other than something to aim for if he/she decides.

I was responding to Kitty, who wanted some solid numbers, and to others, as I didn't see anyone else putting up their numbers.

Oh, and to get some people hot . . . the Mach is not king of L3s anymore.

-Kirst


oh .. thanks for taking the time to look into it .. as I stated though
I was merely expressing something I thought was right, and I didn't mind being wrong Big smile
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