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Using Apache Mesos as cluster platform

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Tiranius Avetus
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#1 - 2015-07-15 20:19:24 UTC
Do you guys have any thoughts about this?
As i read some wiki info about Tranquility Cluster,
i thought that Mesos may suite well in your design.

Will be happy to see your feedback o7
Nyalnara
Marauder Initiative
#2 - 2015-07-15 23:16:07 UTC
"Yeah, let's change all the underlying logical infrastructure and see what happens!!!" Roll

French half-noob.

Non, je ne suis pas gentil.

Tiranius Avetus
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#3 - 2015-07-16 12:50:33 UTC
Nyalnara wrote:
"Yeah, let's change all the underlying logical infrastructure and see what happens!!!" Roll


Let's just not change anything and see where we get Blink
Tiranius Avetus
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#4 - 2015-07-16 12:56:59 UTC
Digging into the wiki page about the Tranquility Cluster a assume that actual server process runs on Windows machine.
That may be the blocker in the past, but recently Microsoft announced windowsservercore as Docker container.
Mesos itself can run on Windows as well, considering the fact that Mesos is written in C++

Anyway, this is not related to the recent TQ problems, and may not solve this
Just sharing my thought on it Roll
Electrique Wizard
Mutually Lucrative Business Proposals
#5 - 2015-07-16 13:10:28 UTC
Replace the current database platform by Mongo or /dev/null, I heard they're both web-scale and support sharding. Also /dev/null's random read/write speeds scale like mad Idea

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Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
#6 - 2015-07-16 13:16:49 UTC
Why change?

What is the purpose?

What are the supposed benefits of this new server format?

What problems would this new server format correct?

Do you even have a clue how CCP has their server network set up, I mean the actual technical details of it like the software /hardware set up?

Or are you one of those fly by night guys that stumbled upon something somewhere on the internet and you think it would be better than something you know nothing about?

And the ultimate question is what training and experience do you have that might even remotely qualify you to make a judgement on what CCP does or does not do with their servers?

I freely admit that running servers on a scale needed to handle a game like EvE is something I know nothing about so I will leave it to those who developed the game we all enjoy to decide what is best when it comes to the servers.
Tiranius Avetus
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#7 - 2015-07-16 13:23:38 UTC
Donnachadh wrote:
Why change?

What is the purpose?


Use Windows 3.1 then

Donnachadh wrote:
What are the supposed benefits of this new server format?

What problems would this new server format correct?


Better resource management and scalability options

Donnachadh wrote:
Do you even have a clue how CCP has their server network set up, I mean the actual technical details of it like the software /hardware set up?

Or are you one of those fly by night guys that stumbled upon something somewhere on the internet and you think it would be better than something you know nothing about?


https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Tranquility
And yes, i KNOW what I'm talking about

Donnachadh wrote:
And the ultimate question is what training and experience do you have that might even remotely qualify you to make a judgement on what CCP does or does not do with their servers?


I didn't judge anyone, if you look closely, i just made a proposal
Tiranius Avetus
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#8 - 2015-07-16 13:25:06 UTC
Electrique Wizard wrote:
Replace the current database platform by Mongo or /dev/null, I heard they're both web-scale and support sharding. Also /dev/null's random read/write speeds scale like mad Idea


I'd rather recommended Cassandra as DB, but transferring from a relational database like MS SQL might be a big pain
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#9 - 2015-07-16 13:37:12 UTC
Tiranius Avetus wrote:


https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Tranquility
And yes, i KNOW what I'm talking about




You "KNOW" what is written in an editable websites.
Cidanel Afuran
Grant Village
#10 - 2015-07-16 16:23:46 UTC
Tiranius Avetus wrote:

Better resource management and scalability options


Why exactly do you think better resource management and scalability is needed right now?

Iain Cariaba
#11 - 2015-07-16 16:54:44 UTC
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Tiranius Avetus wrote:


https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Tranquility
And yes, i KNOW what I'm talking about




You "KNOW" what is written in an editable websites.

Not only that, but the information on that editable website is at least 4 years out of date. OP didn't read the part at the top stating the page needed updating.
Tiranius Avetus
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#12 - 2015-07-16 19:37:33 UTC
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Tiranius Avetus wrote:


https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Tranquility
And yes, i KNOW what I'm talking about




You "KNOW" what is written in an editable websites.


If you wouldn't be so lazy, you could find the bottom Resources section, where is an old forum thread where CCP Yokai provided this info, you could see on the "editable website" Smile
Tiranius Avetus
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#13 - 2015-07-16 19:38:36 UTC
Cidanel Afuran wrote:
Tiranius Avetus wrote:

Better resource management and scalability options


Why exactly do you think better resource management and scalability is needed right now?



Not right now, but always Big smile
Cidanel Afuran
Grant Village
#14 - 2015-07-16 19:43:56 UTC
Tiranius Avetus wrote:


Not right now, but always Big smile


So you're calling for a massive (expensive) hardware change by CCP to solve a non-existent problem? This is why the tech guys need to leave business decisions to the business people. Different technology simply for the sake of having a new toy is useless, if it doesn't actually add anything to the game.
Tiranius Avetus
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#15 - 2015-07-16 19:45:28 UTC
Cidanel Afuran wrote:
Tiranius Avetus wrote:


Not right now, but always Big smile


So you're calling for a massive (expensive) hardware change by CCP to solve a non-existent problem? This is why the tech guys need to leave business decisions to the business people. Different technology simply for the sake of having a new toy is useless, if it doesn't actually add anything to the game.


You are clearly have no idea what you are talking about Big smile
Give it a shot: http://mesos.apache.org
James Baboli
Warp to Pharmacy
#16 - 2015-07-16 19:57:07 UTC
Tiranius Avetus wrote:
Digging into the wiki page about the Tranquility Cluster a assume that actual server process runs on Windows machine.


When you need to assume about a technical aspect as fundamental as the operating system of the server, you probably are just making an ass of yourself. If you have sufficient technical background to be a relevant expert, you would either be determining criteria which are known out of date or contacting CCP directly if you were serious about it being a good idea.

Talking more,

Flying crazier,

And drinking more

Making battleships worth the warp

admiral root
Red Galaxy
#17 - 2015-07-16 20:00:05 UTC
Electrique Wizard wrote:
/dev/null


And suddenly the socket closed error is explained. P

No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff

Tiranius Avetus
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#18 - 2015-07-16 20:13:39 UTC
James Baboli wrote:
Tiranius Avetus wrote:
Digging into the wiki page about the Tranquility Cluster a assume that actual server process runs on Windows machine.


When you need to assume about a technical aspect as fundamental as the operating system of the server, you probably are just making an ass of yourself. If you have sufficient technical background to be a relevant expert, you would either be determining criteria which are known out of date or contacting CCP directly if you were serious about it being a good idea.


I'm pretty sure that CCP won't give me any technical details about their infrastructure.
And again, for all of you going mad on this, THIS IS IDEAS DISCUSSION FORUM!

I've made a proposal, that's all Big smile
Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2015-07-16 20:34:41 UTC
I don't see a problem with discussing the server hardware and potential upgrades. Tranquility runs mostly pretty well, but it'd be really great if those large fleet battles could run a bit more smoothly for once. After all, that's really the greatest allure of this game. CCP is pretty transparent about the details of their server hardware, so I don't see reason to suggest someone on these forums doesn't know what they're talking about. But for all of you who admittedly do not, why are you posting here to also suggest that nobody else does, either? If you don't have a clue what an Apache Mesos is, then how are you qualified to suggest that the OP doesn't know what he's talking about to suggest it as an upgrade?

FT Diomedes: "Reaver, sometimes I wonder what you are thinking when you sit down to post."

Frostys Virpio: "We have to give it to him that he does put more effort than the vast majority in his idea but damn does it sometime come out of nowhere."

Cidanel Afuran
Grant Village
#20 - 2015-07-16 21:49:00 UTC
Tiranius Avetus wrote:

You are clearly have no idea what you are talking about Big smile
Give it a shot: http://mesos.apache.org


Yes I do.

You are trying to solve a problem that doesn't exist for [reasons]. No change like this is ever smooth, quick or easy on a larger environments.

You are proposing a change that doesn't actually solve an existing problem and doesn't add any value to the game. Until you give a valid reason as to how this adds to the end product (the game) in a tangible way, it's a -1 from me.

Again, this is why you don't let the pure tech people make decisions on their own. They go for the new or different tech solutions simply to play with something different without thinking about the value proposition of the project first.

One more time, -1 until you prove this would actually benefit the game.
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