EVE General Discussion

how is this for a response, you are fine to do whatever you want, provided you are respectful to the provi block nrds policy, provi block residents and all non kos pilots in our space. competitiveness is fine, provided the three above conditions are met

Then please give examples? Content created by provicitizens, for provicitizens (even if it goes against provicitizens). Content creation, not content-seeking.

Please, give me examples!

Refer to previous page.
"Do or don't in Provi."

That's a good one. Except for the last paragraph, but I can't blame you for not knowing better. What I notice is that you and others seem to think I want to do anything to or with you. I don't. I don't want to convince anyone of anything and I wouldn't really care about that.

I understand what you mean by competitive gameplay and I do not disagree. I'll address this properly.

Competitive gameplay is where there are two players competing with eachother. If they mine the same rock, they compete. If they don't and just mine in the same belt, then it's not competitive. Competition comes from at least one person trying to be better than the other person. Two people simply mining to gather their ore are not in direct competition to each other, but simply a part of the mechanics the market involves. Yes, there's a difference.

"Content creating is wherever there is more than 1 interacting player." I do not disagree, unless you believe that FCs roaming around with fleets count as such. That's "seeking content" and not "creating content". The FC is leading a group and I understand the argument "he is creating content for the group" but that's not the case. A FC is seeking out content for the group! If an FC goes on roam after roam after roam and finds no one to shoot, the FC will go roam alone after a few times, simply because he did not find content (and naturally did not provide any). I guess what I'm trying to say is that not every interaction actually creates content, for example: Two people doing a lvl4 together are not creating content, they are consuming it.


Yet I still do not know what John Doe in a highly populated are in Providence, with many citizens, does to compete with another John Doe who also lives there.

Btw ...


This is wrong. I can't bump miners in null, because then EVERYONE shoots at me for my competitive gameplay. If it was just the miners then **** them, I'll shoot back! But this isn't allowed! This isn't allowed anywhere in null! If you do that as a Goon, they'll tell you not to do that again or they'll kick you out!

And the very same will happen in Providence, or will it not?

You want them to just let you miner bump their own alts/friends/community members with no consequences? And you think that that is more/better content creation than PvP fleets?

If this isn't trolling . . .

That's the best one so far.

I've used "bumping miners" as example. It's what I do that to remove competition from my belt, next to mining their roids, which seems to make quite a few people rather angry. You really summed it up pretty well.

Btw, you still mistake me for someone who cries about being shot at, but again I am not blaming you for that at all. You pretty much had no other choice to think so anyway.

Anyhow, you summed it up pretty well.


Let me put that into different words:

The leaders/executors of nullsov alliances, like "big brother", make sure everyone who is a part of it fits in, everyone has something to do and no one steps onto each other's toes. Any behaviour counter to what benefits the alliance will either be corrected or the person will be removed from the group.


The highsec empires are much more a mirror of what we still see in the real world. In contrast, a "Nullsec empire" is comparable to "big brother" where people do have responsibilities for the alliance, but everything else is being taken care of. They are being breastfed with content and ISK and whoever falls out of the line will either be corrected or purged from the society.


This is really scary, considering it's about real people who are easily baited by providing them with shallow fun, food, the illusion of a community and the illusion of power. This doesn't really fit to Providence, I guess, but that might as well change as soon as the goons take it. *looks at her watch*


Thank you, I think I'm done and will request a lock if you don't have any objections to the above!

Okay. Look, in an attempt to reach your faulty mind I will write a pity-post for you and hope that a minute of lucidity allows you to grasp wtf you are doing here.

You're not even close. Actually, your post here is the dumbest post of the whole thread. I don't care about anyone agreeing with me, at all. All I did was taking his words and rephrased them. What I wrote still applies fully. It's you being incapable of grasping that for reasons that have nothing to do with me. Read on and you might learn.


What you read and what you think it means is not what it actually means. If you have any issues with me rephrasing what he wrote, putting it into a different viewpoint, then please provide me with evidence that it does not apply. You will fail, because it does. It's simply YOU who is incapable of grasping that, because you rather see trolls everywhere or whatever paranoia has infected your mind.

Just THINK about it for a minute! YOU already declared this thread to be worthless, YET YOU STILL READ THROUGH IT AND POST! And that does not make you think about WTF you are doing? No, you just keep on reading and posting, because YOU want people to acknowledge what you are saying and you unsuccessfully project that **** onto me!

You want ME to tell YOU that YOU are right, that I made a mistake by posting or WHATEVER else it is that you didn't like about it! That's the reason why you posted in the first place! You declared the thread a waste of time, but you failed to stop reading, failed to stop posting and instead continuously tried to gather my attention! Here! Now you have it!


If you have issues, just stay away okay? Do you behave like that IRL too? When you have issues with something you can't stop bugging people about it? Is that who you are? Can you stop behaving like that, please?


Okay?
Good!

Bye!

Neither, actually.
Can you explain why I'm wrong with what I wrote?
Did you notice that I excluded Providence?

Did you ever join the goons?

Angelica's last post actually sort of made a little more sense (to me at least).

I think the question is really looking to see if groups in Provi operate like Target and Walmart actively competing against each other or if they only exist to serve the central Provibloc state and don't really compete as separate capitalist entitites. Miner bumping was a bad example because even in Murica there are a lot of regulations governing how corporations can compete, and Miner bumping would fall under illegal competitive activity in this analogy.

I'm sure Provi groups still compete indirectly by producing more efficiently or sacrificing profit margin for volume, but I think this is probably true of other null areas as well.

edit: "last post" is actually a couple of posts back now because I'm slow

No. You have repeated this so many time that there are no reasons I don't believe to.
The problem is your misleading logic behind your "competitive way of life".

What is a competitive behaviour? The behaviour of someone that want to reach a goal better or before another player.
Of course shooting ships is only one of the multiple ways to show it.
Bumping miners not for fun but to free a belt is another way too.
And so on.
Every action or way that works is fine.

Then:



I cannot talk for Goons becouse I am not one of them, they could answer you about this and their alliance if they want.

Btw I think that is only in your immagination that an alliance works exactly how you have painted here.

Anyway in Provi there are much more corps than in any other part of null (I think so far) and in a lot of them it doesn't works has you described.

And about 'as soon as the goons take it', I can only remember you what someone has wrote before: ppl of Provi is stubborn. For sure a well organized raid can cause some problems for some time, but 'take it' (and maintain it) it's a completely different thing.