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Tengu Grib
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#101 - 2015-07-13 22:36:35 UTC
Noragen Neirfallas wrote:
I'm not quoting all that allow me to just retort here briefly instead

1. Marlin did in fact help the newbro out and taught a valuable lesson in warping gate to gate via convo in case you need it all spelt out.
2. It was a noob ship... The lesson learnt could have been in a domi in 3 weeks time if we didn't do it now. This is one more reason shooting them while new is important
3. I was killed in my first month of playing (not my first month after making the account I wasn't wrapped enough with the game in my first week to pay but got convinced later)
4. I was invited to about a dozen corps in local and 2 via mail/convo. I ignored them all as joining some random group for no reason seemed pointless until somebody suggested apping to eve uni which I looked up and it seemed decent with little tax)
6. TLDR on video is that killing newbros is good for retention
7. I do hang out in rookie chat
8. At one month I was ready to quit eve it was only then that I was killed by a wardeccer in my then itty 2 carrying all that I owned -3 ships and thus swore bloody revenge on wardeccers (which I achieved). It got me involved in the game in a way that missions and training skills never could have.

In summary killing new players and helping them out after is Good for the game


I was killed within the first couple hours of playing. 4 years ago. Shooting new players doesn't hurt retention, it helps it.

Better he lose a noobship than a deadspace fit faction battleship he barely has skills for. Teach them while they're young.

Rabble Rabble Rabble

Praise James, Supreme Protector of High Sec.
Tengu Grib
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#102 - 2015-07-13 22:39:58 UTC
Petre en Thielles wrote:
Ima Wreckyou wrote:

I think the point you are missing is that if they don't explode they don't really "get into it".


I'm not missing that. I'm just personally nicer to one day old newbies than some people, apparently.

If I see an easy kill, I personally usually pass it up. What fun is it to shoot something that can't shoot back?

Just my opinion. I never said the game should change in any way, it's just how I play. You keep pushing ganking miners, I will keep pushing not shooting someone (miners/day old newbies) who can't push back.

That's the beauty of a sandbox, there isn't a right/wrong. Believe it or not, we are all allowed to *gasp* have our own opinions!



I'll laugh the day a noobship lands on your carrier and you decide not to shoot it, then he lights a cyno.

War Targets get killed the moment I can get a lock on them. Everything else happens after I start shooting if the fight isn't over by then.

You realize war is often about making money right? If I see an enemy freighter I should not shoot it because it can't shoot back? F that, I'll kill him and take whatever I can scoop.

Rabble Rabble Rabble

Praise James, Supreme Protector of High Sec.
Kaely Tanniss
Black Lotus Society.
#103 - 2015-07-14 01:13:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Kaely Tanniss
Petre en Thielles wrote:
Kaely Tanniss wrote:

You don't PvP much do you..I cba to look up your kb...if you did, you'd know checking a chars age on grid is not only not feasible, but just plain stupid with a hot target on grid.

Perhaps you should start a thread asking CCP to make it so noobs can't leave starter systems until the tutorial missions are completed..or for a period of time...with that being said, the "features and Ideas" threads are that way >>>. Roll


Having zkillboard open in the in-game browser and typing in their name takes about one and a half seconds. Do you PvP much?


As a matter of fact I do..with several chars. Lol

I'm sure you like your screen cluttered with pointless windows. I do not. if a target is flashing on grid...they're getting shot....1 hr old..or 12 years old. You seem to forget what a war target is. Further more, it's very hard to take "advice" from a player whose char is almost a year old but has no KB at all. So please...keep your PvP "advice" to yourself. Roll

I'm sure you're a stand up guy irl...but the point you're trying to make is a moot point....especially in the C&P forum. You go right ahead and take that "second" to open a browser, type in a name, wait for everything to load, and check a chars age..I hope it doesn't get you killed or cost you targets. Blink

If I had a nickel for every time someone said women don't play eve, I'd have a bag of nickels to whack the next person who said it..
Tengu Grib
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#104 - 2015-07-14 18:30:50 UTC
"Gosh I sure hope this war target isn't a new player. And man I'll feel bad if it turns out he didn't want to PVP. That would be so embarrassing."

Roll

Rabble Rabble Rabble

Praise James, Supreme Protector of High Sec.
Estella Osoka
Cranky Bitches Who PMS
#105 - 2015-07-14 22:11:34 UTC
Petre en Thielles wrote:
Kaely Tanniss wrote:

You don't PvP much do you..I cba to look up your kb...if you did, you'd know checking a chars age on grid is not only not feasible, but just plain stupid with a hot target on grid.

Perhaps you should start a thread asking CCP to make it so noobs can't leave starter systems until the tutorial missions are completed..or for a period of time...with that being said, the "features and Ideas" threads are that way >>>. Roll


Having zkillboard open in the in-game browser and typing in their name takes about one and a half seconds. Do you PvP much?


Maybe I'll do that if I see them in local BEFORE they land on grid. Once they are on grid, no one has time for that.
Noragen Neirfallas
Emotional Net Loss
#106 - 2015-07-15 00:39:07 UTC
Just for the record if I discovered a 2 and a half week old player in a domi navy running lvl 4 SOE missions I would kill it with fire for the learning opportunity it would present me with. Also the kill was juicy...

Member and Judge of the Court of Crime and Punishment

Noragens basically the Chribba of C&P - Zimmy Zeta

Confirming that we all play in Noragen's eve. - BeBopAReBop

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Count Szadek
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#107 - 2015-07-15 12:28:49 UTC
Petre en Thielles wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
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Empty quoting because I am not interested in a 17 page conversation. You ignored the quote I gave by GM Homonoia.

"Again, spirit of the rule, not the letter. If you find yourself trying to figure out specifically where we draw the line you are obviously targeting rookies, which is NOT allowed. You decide to do this, you will find out where the line is when we warn you."

What, exactly do you think the GM meant by that?

Focus on "the spirit of the rule, not the letter"

That was exactly my point.


I do try to help as much as I can, but when a corp recruiter sits in a newbie system sending out convos with corp invites to two hour old players, do we then blame the two hour old player, or the corp recruiter (who is at war) for abusing a newbie?

I think if someone can't handle getting ganked, they don't belong in EVE, but for the fourth time, give them a day or two to settle in. Where's the line between teaching a rookie a trial by fire and just being an as*hole?


The Ruling is in regards to Rookie Systems and Following From Rookie Systems. They do not get a free ride at being un-shootable while at war. it applies to ganking, theft, tricking, scamming, etc. When they are not in the rookie systems or traveling between, the ruling does not apply. This is what I see as the context.
Noragen Neirfallas
Emotional Net Loss
#108 - 2015-07-15 13:05:54 UTC
Count Szadek wrote:
Petre en Thielles wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
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Empty quoting because I am not interested in a 17 page conversation. You ignored the quote I gave by GM Homonoia.

"Again, spirit of the rule, not the letter. If you find yourself trying to figure out specifically where we draw the line you are obviously targeting rookies, which is NOT allowed. You decide to do this, you will find out where the line is when we warn you."

What, exactly do you think the GM meant by that?

Focus on "the spirit of the rule, not the letter"

That was exactly my point.


I do try to help as much as I can, but when a corp recruiter sits in a newbie system sending out convos with corp invites to two hour old players, do we then blame the two hour old player, or the corp recruiter (who is at war) for abusing a newbie?

I think if someone can't handle getting ganked, they don't belong in EVE, but for the fourth time, give them a day or two to settle in. Where's the line between teaching a rookie a trial by fire and just being an as*hole?


The Ruling is in regards to Rookie Systems and Following From Rookie Systems. They do not get a free ride at being un-shootable while at war. it applies to ganking, theft, tricking, scamming, etc. When they are not in the rookie systems or traveling between, the ruling does not apply. This is what I see as the context.

Some guys in bni tried to abuse this in a war scenario and formed a 5 man new player fleet one jump out of a new bro system after a marmite killed one there. They then baited on the gate to the newbro system and promptly jumped in on the marmite/s landing and all tried petitioning it. Thanks to this and other incidents wars overwrite newbro immunity everywhere

Member and Judge of the Court of Crime and Punishment

Noragens basically the Chribba of C&P - Zimmy Zeta

Confirming that we all play in Noragen's eve. - BeBopAReBop

ISD Buldath favorite ISD

'"****station games" - Sun Tzu' - Ralph King Griffin
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#109 - 2015-07-15 14:48:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Count Szadek wrote:
The Ruling is in regards to Rookie Systems and Following From Rookie Systems. They do not get a free ride at being un-shootable while at war. it applies to ganking, theft, tricking, scamming, etc. When they are not in the rookie systems or traveling between, the ruling does not apply. This is what I see as the context.
It's been explained to him, with an appropriate GM quote from the same thread, he's just not interested in hearing it because it doesn't fit in with his personal narrative.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

New Player FAQ

Feyd's Survival Pack
Athena Aideron
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#110 - 2015-07-15 17:25:21 UTC
There is NOTHING in Eve more important or fun than shooting noobs. Shooting noobs brings warmth to my heart and joy to my tears.

After all, we all have a noob story of how we went to there and died instantly. They need theirs.



I'M not having fun until YOU'RE not having fun.
Doc Hyland
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#111 - 2015-07-18 04:31:59 UTC
I was recruited to a mining corporation within hours of creating my trial account. My CEO offered me 10 million ISK (which I felt was a LOT back in 2009) if I would autopilot from Point A (newbie zone) to Point B (some far off Null Sec place). I, of course, had absolutely no idea what was going on so I did it. I made it to the station (30-something jumps in to Null), and started back when I was blown up and podded.

It was at that point that I saw how awesome this game was going to be once I was more experienced. I couldn't wait to be the guy that delivered the killing blow to some idiot that "wandered" into my neighborhood. I upgraded my account to a full account that very day.

I deleted my original character because I wanted to fly a Gallente ship and I thought I had to be Gallente to do so (doh, where was my CEO on that lesson??), but if I had that kill mail from that day, it would have been my favorite trophy. Granted, I later learned the CEO was drunk and did it for laughs - not to be my EVE Yoda. Either way, it was valuable.

The players that quit EVE after losing a ship are probably not people we'd necessarily want in our Universe anyway. They can go back to their Warlock in Azeroth. :)

-Doc