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Is Providence comparable to highsec?

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Angelica Dreamstar
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#41 - 2015-07-15 15:26:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Angelica Dreamstar
Alleja DeSan-na wrote:
Angelica Dreamstar wrote:

I'd start stripping belts empty and shooting and bumping others for mining where I mine.
Then you'd kick me out of provi simply for trying to be better than the rest and playing the game.

Can do that in highsec, but not on an island full of friends.


You can do that in HS only becouse:
1) mechanics permit you to do that with low efforts
2) usually in HS ppl is not organized to contrast those kinds of things and prefer move than fight you.


But you can do that even in null, or even in Provi if you want.

What change is that you have to put in a lot more efforts than in HS if you want to try it.

And believe me. Ppl whould be glad to 'kick you out of balls' even in HS if only they stop himself and figure out how.


What are you looking for Angelica? Are you telling that Provi is "meh" becouse if you come and start bump miners someone could start to think to shoot you?
If you are looking for free empty belts, Provi has a lot of it.
If you are looking for some interaction, Provi has it too.

Depends on what you are looking (talking) about.

And a question for you now. What exactly you are looking for?

Information that fills the holes I have. Pieces of the puzzle that miss in my analysis of social dynamics.Things I can not gather through observation. Insights can only gather from asking or reading people with different perspectives. Jen is providing fairly well and I'm thankful for that.

Moving to provi will most likely bore me, because it lacls the tons of different people I need to interact with in any way I like. HighSec is much less restrictive when it comes to that. The LAST thing I am looking for is empty belts, really. I don't mine for income, that would be ridiculous. Lol

bingo, his pig not being a goat doesn't make the pig wrong, just him an idiot for shouting at his pig "WHY ARENT YOU A GOAT!" (Source)

-- Ralph King-Griffin, about deranged people playing EVE ONLINE
cretan Audeles
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#42 - 2015-07-15 15:27:56 UTC  |  Edited by: cretan Audeles
Angelica Dreamstar wrote:
Alleja DeSan-na wrote:
Angelica Dreamstar wrote:
Alleja DeSan-na wrote:
Cidanel Afuran wrote:
What does it even mean if something is 'like high sec'?



Btw Provi is not 'like high sec', in any shape of it.

And as far as I have take a look around to other null sec regions, Provi is even not 'like other null sec'.

Provi is Provi. Angelica if you want to start to learn Provi, move your butt and come here.

I rather stay where people are. Where there are proper dynamics and unforeseen interactions possible. I don't like nullsec mostly because people live on islands full of friends, while I rathernstay on an island full of strangers and thus more possibilities.


The topic is pointless.
How can you pretend to talk just teorically about dynamics that you even didn't taste on your own?

Arguing about a whole region dynamics taking into account only the fact that sometimes there is export of goods and some time there is not, look to me as a topic based on nothing, if not a bored person that today has nothing better to do than ask himself on angel's sex.

Told you: come and take a look. After you can talk about something more consistent.

I'd start stripping belts empty and shooting and bumping others for mining where I mine.
Then you'd kick me out of provi simply for trying to be better than the rest and playing the game.

Can do that in highsec, but not on an island full of friends.



your entire attitude there would very quickly make you kos "shooting" provi block members for daring to mine in our own space
Jenshae Chiroptera
#43 - 2015-07-15 15:36:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenshae Chiroptera
Angelica Dreamstar wrote:
... Moving to provi will most likely bore me, because it lacks the tons of different people I need to interact with in any way I like. ...
Sure, bumping other miners and being a pest works best in High Sec.

Generally speaking, I am struggling to think of anything that is not available in Provi or near to it.

Low Sec roams - check.
Null Sec roams - check.
Worm Holes - check.
Solo PVE - check.
Group PVE - check.
Solo PVP - check.
Group PVP - check.
Market PVP - check.
Solo Mining - check.
Group Mining - check.
Incursions time to time - check.

So, only a very narrow definition of fun involving, annoying miners and racing them for the ore in a limited belt is missing.

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.
cretan Audeles
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#44 - 2015-07-15 15:40:59 UTC
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Angelica Dreamstar wrote:
... Moving to provi will most likely bore me, because it lacks the tons of different people I need to interact with in any way I like. ...
Sure, bumping other miners and being a pest works best in High Sec.

Generally speaking, I am struggling to think of anything that is not available in Provi or near to it.

Low Sec roams - check.
Null Sec roams - check.
Worm Holes - check.
Solo PVE - check.
Group PVE - check.
Solo PVP - check.
Group PVP - check.
Market PVP - check.
Solo Mining - check.
Group Mining - check.

So, only a very narrow definition of fun involving, annoying miners and racing them for the ore in a limited belt is missing.



very well put. fact of the matter is, we have an abundance of ore, there is no need to act aggressive towards other miners, there is plenty to go around and plenty of ore clusters, do not bring the high sec attitude of racing others to asteroids, it will not serve you well in provi
Angelica Dreamstar
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#45 - 2015-07-15 15:46:14 UTC
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Angelica Dreamstar wrote:
... Moving to provi will most likely bore me, because it lacks the tons of different people I need to interact with in any way I like. ...
Sure, bumping other miners and being a pest works best in High Sec.

Generally speaking, I am struggling to think of anything that is not available in Provi or near to it.

Low Sec roams - check.
Null Sec roams - check.
Worm Holes - check.
Solo PVE - check.
Group PVE - check.
Solo PVP - check.
Group PVP - check.
Market PVP - check.
Solo Mining - check.
Group Mining - check.

So, only a very narrow definition of fun involving, annoying miners and racing them for the ore in a limited belt is missing.

None of that is anything I care about doing. Annoying miners is just an opportunity and not what my doings are about. Not sure why you listed them? I don't care about making isk at all and dping these activities is too meaningless for my taste, though you might not understand why I say so.

bingo, his pig not being a goat doesn't make the pig wrong, just him an idiot for shouting at his pig "WHY ARENT YOU A GOAT!" (Source)

-- Ralph King-Griffin, about deranged people playing EVE ONLINE
Alleja DeSan-na
La Rapida
#46 - 2015-07-15 15:46:15 UTC
Angelica Dreamstar wrote:

Information that fills the holes I have. Pieces of the puzzle that miss in my analysis of social dynamics.



Seriously anthropologists do their works on field, and not like a little old blue-haired woman that talk of nothing drinking a cup of tea on the date of 5^ 'clock with her friends.

Now, coming back to this that is only a game, are your full interests just to bump some miners? Is that the "interaction" that you are looking for?
cretan Audeles
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#47 - 2015-07-15 15:50:43 UTC
Angelica Dreamstar wrote:
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Angelica Dreamstar wrote:
... Moving to provi will most likely bore me, because it lacks the tons of different people I need to interact with in any way I like. ...
Sure, bumping other miners and being a pest works best in High Sec.

Generally speaking, I am struggling to think of anything that is not available in Provi or near to it.

Low Sec roams - check.
Null Sec roams - check.
Worm Holes - check.
Solo PVE - check.
Group PVE - check.
Solo PVP - check.
Group PVP - check.
Market PVP - check.
Solo Mining - check.
Group Mining - check.

So, only a very narrow definition of fun involving, annoying miners and racing them for the ore in a limited belt is missing.

None of that is anything I care about doing. Annoying miners is just an opportunity and not what my doings are about. Not sure why you listed them? I don't care about making isk at all and dping these activities is too meaningless for my taste, though you might not understand why I say so.



what are you wanting to do, everything we are telling you is wrong, according to you, so that we can tailor our answer better, how about you be a bit more informative
Jenshae Chiroptera
#48 - 2015-07-15 15:56:07 UTC
Angelica Dreamstar wrote:
... None of that is anything I care about doing. ...
No need to be koi, very straight forwardly just tell us what makes you moist. Lol

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.
Angelica Dreamstar
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#49 - 2015-07-15 15:58:29 UTC
cretan Audeles wrote:
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Angelica Dreamstar wrote:
... Moving to provi will most likely bore me, because it lacks the tons of different people I need to interact with in any way I like. ...
Sure, bumping other miners and being a pest works best in High Sec.

Generally speaking, I am struggling to think of anything that is not available in Provi or near to it.

Low Sec roams - check.
Null Sec roams - check.
Worm Holes - check.
Solo PVE - check.
Group PVE - check.
Solo PVP - check.
Group PVP - check.
Market PVP - check.
Solo Mining - check.
Group Mining - check.

So, only a very narrow definition of fun involving, annoying miners and racing them for the ore in a limited belt is missing.



very well put. fact of the matter is, we have an abundance of ore, there is no need to act aggressive towards other miners, there is plenty to go around and plenty of ore clusters, do not bring the high sec attitude of racing others to asteroids, it will not serve you well in provi

An island full of friends. Boring, but I understand if people want to live that way. Definitely nothing for me, because it lacks a good part of the dynamics I love. Same with goons, so i left them again. I'm a competitive person and I try to be so with any activity. I don't play games to play them, I play them to compete with others.

bingo, his pig not being a goat doesn't make the pig wrong, just him an idiot for shouting at his pig "WHY ARENT YOU A GOAT!" (Source)

-- Ralph King-Griffin, about deranged people playing EVE ONLINE
cretan Audeles
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#50 - 2015-07-15 16:00:31 UTC  |  Edited by: cretan Audeles
Angelica Dreamstar wrote:
cretan Audeles wrote:
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Angelica Dreamstar wrote:
... Moving to provi will most likely bore me, because it lacks the tons of different people I need to interact with in any way I like. ...
Sure, bumping other miners and being a pest works best in High Sec.

Generally speaking, I am struggling to think of anything that is not available in Provi or near to it.

Low Sec roams - check.
Null Sec roams - check.
Worm Holes - check.
Solo PVE - check.
Group PVE - check.
Solo PVP - check.
Group PVP - check.
Market PVP - check.
Solo Mining - check.
Group Mining - check.

So, only a very narrow definition of fun involving, annoying miners and racing them for the ore in a limited belt is missing.



very well put. fact of the matter is, we have an abundance of ore, there is no need to act aggressive towards other miners, there is plenty to go around and plenty of ore clusters, do not bring the high sec attitude of racing others to asteroids, it will not serve you well in provi

An island full of friends. Boring, but I understand if people want to live that way. Definitely nothing for me, because it lacks a good part of the dynamics I love. Same with goons, so i left them again. I'm a competitive person and I try to be so with any activity. I don't play games to play them, I play them to compete with others.


from the sounds of it, you made up your mind long before putting this topic up, why are you here? you came to us, asking questions, we didnt come to you. are you simply trying to, in your mind, justify your decision? we have asked you questions about what you want, what you mean and so on, you keep dodging them or ignoring them, yet we need them answered so we can answer you.
Angelica Dreamstar
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#51 - 2015-07-15 16:14:28 UTC
cretan Audeles wrote:


from the sounds of it, you made up your mind long before putting this topic up, why are you here? you came to us, asking questions, we didnt come to you. are you simply trying to, in your mind, justify your decision? we have asked you questions about what you want, what you mean and so on, you keep dodging them or ignoring them, yet we need them answered so we can answer you.
You get that wrong. I was here first. Why are YOU here?

I made up my mind about my activities, which have nothing to do with the topic. People suddenly start talking about things to do, things I already knew before that anyway. I am not dodging anything, because it's not me who is topic. I ask questions and want answers. I apologize for asking questions inaccurately, that is absolutely my problem and I'm working on that. Yet, people provide me with answers or don't. People help me refine questions or don't.

What I don't understand is how this thread switched to "what I want" which is completely irrelevant and beyond the point.

I have to read through it again, gladly I'm on a computer now.

bingo, his pig not being a goat doesn't make the pig wrong, just him an idiot for shouting at his pig "WHY ARENT YOU A GOAT!" (Source)

-- Ralph King-Griffin, about deranged people playing EVE ONLINE
cretan Audeles
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#52 - 2015-07-15 16:19:45 UTC
Angelica Dreamstar wrote:
cretan Audeles wrote:


from the sounds of it, you made up your mind long before putting this topic up, why are you here? you came to us, asking questions, we didnt come to you. are you simply trying to, in your mind, justify your decision? we have asked you questions about what you want, what you mean and so on, you keep dodging them or ignoring them, yet we need them answered so we can answer you.
You get that wrong. I was here first. Why are YOU here?

I made up my mind about my activities, which have nothing to do with the topic. People suddenly start talking about things to do, things I already knew before that anyway. I am not dodging anything, because it's not me who is topic. I ask questions and want answers. I apologize for asking questions inaccurately, that is absolutely my problem and I'm working on that. Yet, people provide me with answers or don't. People help me refine questions or don't.

What I don't understand is how this thread switched to "what I want" which is completely irrelevant and beyond the point.

I have to read through it again, gladly I'm on a computer now.



this topic is a waste of time, we have answered you, you wont accept the answers, we have asked you what you mean by the question, you keep telling us that it is abundantly clear when, if we are asking you what you mean, it obviously isnt. you wish to know if provi is comparable to high sec, what do you mean by that as it is a very vague question.
Angelica Dreamstar
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#53 - 2015-07-15 16:23:59 UTC
Someone please correct these statements for me:

In providence, competitive behaviour is prohibited. One has to rely on the game providing content for him, or has to rely on content-seekers (FCs) who take your hand and roam around with you, hoping for content to happen.


Please answer me this:

What content is there being created by people who live in Providence, FOR the people in providence? And please note that "content" here means any form of interaction between people living there, but NOT content that the game provides for them to consume.

bingo, his pig not being a goat doesn't make the pig wrong, just him an idiot for shouting at his pig "WHY ARENT YOU A GOAT!" (Source)

-- Ralph King-Griffin, about deranged people playing EVE ONLINE
cretan Audeles
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#54 - 2015-07-15 16:29:04 UTC
Angelica Dreamstar wrote:
Someone please correct these statements for me:

In providence, competitive behaviour is prohibited. One has to rely on the game providing content for him, or has to rely on content-seekers (FCs) who take your hand and roam around with you, hoping for content to happen.


Please answer me this:

What content is there being created by people who live in Providence, FOR the people in providence? And please note that "content" here means any form of interaction between people living there, but NOT content that the game provides for them to consume.


that question was answered by jen on the first respone, but you didnt accept it, refer to jens response
Angelica Dreamstar
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#55 - 2015-07-15 16:34:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Angelica Dreamstar
cretan Audeles wrote:
Angelica Dreamstar wrote:
Someone please correct these statements for me:

In providence, competitive behaviour is prohibited. One has to rely on the game providing content for him, or has to rely on content-seekers (FCs) who take your hand and roam around with you, hoping for content to happen.


Please answer me this:

What content is there being created by people who live in Providence, FOR the people in providence? And please note that "content" here means any form of interaction between people living there, but NOT content that the game provides for them to consume.


that question was answered by jen on the first respone, but you didnt accept it, refer to jens response

Not really. And if you claim this topic is a waste of time you really shouldn't post in here. You should let go and go post somewhere else, because this thread provides nothing for you. And as I want to help you stopping wasting your time, I will not dignify any of your posts with further responses. Big smile Of course I can not keep you from whoring for attention from the others. Lol

bingo, his pig not being a goat doesn't make the pig wrong, just him an idiot for shouting at his pig "WHY ARENT YOU A GOAT!" (Source)

-- Ralph King-Griffin, about deranged people playing EVE ONLINE
cretan Audeles
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#56 - 2015-07-15 16:37:51 UTC
Angelica Dreamstar wrote:
cretan Audeles wrote:
Angelica Dreamstar wrote:
Someone please correct these statements for me:

In providence, competitive behaviour is prohibited. One has to rely on the game providing content for him, or has to rely on content-seekers (FCs) who take your hand and roam around with you, hoping for content to happen.


Please answer me this:

What content is there being created by people who live in Providence, FOR the people in providence? And please note that "content" here means any form of interaction between people living there, but NOT content that the game provides for them to consume.


that question was answered by jen on the first respone, but you didnt accept it, refer to jens response

Not really. And if you claim this topic is a waste of time you really shouldn't post in here. You should let go and go post somewhere else, because this thread provides nothing for you. And as I want to help you stopping wasting your time, I will not dignify any of your posts with further responses. Big smile Of course I can not keep you from whoring for attention from the others. Lol



as a provi block resident, i have been trying to help you, you wont accept that help, jen has provided you with all the answers you need, you wont accept them or you read a completely different meaning into it, how about you just come to provi and see for yourself.
Raith Crimson
Doomheim
#57 - 2015-07-15 16:38:15 UTC
There are stargates and stations. Asteroid belts and cosmic signatures. Anomalies and space litter. Yeah its kinda like Highsec i guess. Apart from all the annoying warp disruption bubbles and you don't need to wardec someone to shoot them. Ohh and there are no mission agents im afraid. We do practice an NRDS engagement policy and good manners/ respect for your fellow players is expected. The coalition that holds the space is mainly a family friendly bunch but we do have a few loose wires. on the whole its a great place to enjoy eve online.

Hope this helps.

my ideas are my own and have no reflection on the ideas of my current corp / alliance.

excuse my terrible typing.
Angelica Dreamstar
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#58 - 2015-07-15 16:40:21 UTC
Raith Crimson wrote:
There are stargates and stations. Asteroid belts and cosmic signatures. Anomalies and space litter. Yeah its kinda like Highsec i guess. Apart from all the annoying warp disruption bubbles and you don't need to wardec someone to shoot them. Ohh and there are no mission agents im afraid. We do practice an NRDS engagement policy and good manners/ respect for your fellow players is expected. The coalition that holds the space is mainly a family friendly bunch but we do have a few loose wires. on the whole its a great place to enjoy eve online.

Hope this helps.

Thanks for your post!

Would you agree that people are being discouraged to engage in competitive gameplay and/or creating content? (in contrast to seeking content/consuming what the game provides)

Thanks!

bingo, his pig not being a goat doesn't make the pig wrong, just him an idiot for shouting at his pig "WHY ARENT YOU A GOAT!" (Source)

-- Ralph King-Griffin, about deranged people playing EVE ONLINE
Jenshae Chiroptera
#59 - 2015-07-15 16:47:29 UTC
Angelica Dreamstar wrote:
Someone please correct these statements for me:
In Providence, competitive behaviour is prohibited. One has to rely on the game providing content for him, or has to rely on content-seekers (FCs) who take your hand and roam around with you, hoping for content to happen.

Please answer me this:
What content is there being created by people who live in Providence, FOR the people in providence?
In Providence, you just do.
- I have lead standing fleets that had ratters, miners and home defending PVPers in them.
- I have lead fleets and small gangs PVPing in and around Providence.
- I have lead groups into worm holes ratting and seeking incidental PVP.
- I have been in a frigate tournament against other Provi members.

I did not have to ask permission to do these things.
I only needed to be a little organised and to form a fleet.

There is one person who puts up an advert quite often for a romantic partner to go on a pair roam with them. P
They do not want more than one person to join them.

You do or you don't in Providence.

No need to semi-AFK in one station asking, "Fleet? Fleet? Fleet?"

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.
Moth Eisig
#60 - 2015-07-15 16:49:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Moth Eisig
Angelica Dreamstar wrote:
it lacks a good part of the dynamics I love.


By which you mean it lacks the CCP mechanics that keep other players from being able to blow up your ship when you do dumb things that have no purpose other than being annoying? All the opportunities are there in Provi, the question is whether or not you are competitive and good enough to do something to affect people that don't have their hands tied behind their back.