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Captain Awkward
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#61 - 2015-07-15 13:47:44 UTC
Harry Forever wrote:
I don't understand why you people are so butthurt, if the random fleets are so bad why not be happy for some stuff to shoot at?

lets bring the fleet system I'm talking about in place and lets see if your "talents" to form a fleet are really needed

pretty sure people who join my fleetsystem know how to hit F1 as good as your "professionals"

most of you alliance guys suffer from the illusion that random people could not easily do what you do, at the end you are just random people as well... the system just simplifys fleeting up and makes you "important" smartmouth people a bit unimportant

and thats what you fear the most, not beeing able to tell everybody how good you are


There is more to fleets then pressing F1. Beeing in the same system, warping to the same location at the same range at the same time, targeting the same target, calling out points, distributing ewar, switching from one target to a other at the same time.

You cant do that without coms. Simple as that.

Why people dont want your LFG tool to be integrated ? Because it is usually only the first step. First you whine about fletting up is so dificult and you want a fleet finder. When you get it, you will start to complain that your random fleet is not able to do acomplish anything because of missing coordination. So you whine again that the game should get simplyfied to give you a chance.

You know how LFR groups in WoW tend to break appart at the first wipe? You think it would be different in EvE? What kind of ships to you think people will bring into those random fleets? Shine BS ? Lol.
Harry Forever
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#62 - 2015-07-15 13:51:27 UTC
Neuntausend wrote:
Nobody is butthurt. But let me explain why it is a terrible idea to implement a game mechanic that everyone but you thinks will not work:

It will most likely not work.

"Ok, so it doesn't work - it's still worth a try" I hear you say. But that's not the case:

1 - Spending time developing a mechanic, that we all (except you) know will be terribad is a stupid idea. That time should be spend developing something we (or anybody, for that matter) can actually use.

2 - New players will log into the game, find a broken, terrible game mechanic, log out and never touch the game again. This already happens far too often, don't expand on that.

3 - Eve is a social game. Trying to take away from the social gameplay is tlike trying to take away the spaceships.


I don't expect you to understand this, since you clearly stated that you would rather watch a bot play the game for you instead of playing the game, but believe me - if everybody tells you, that something is a bad idea, it may just be a bad idea.


if you believe you and your 2 alts are everybody, then you are insane

Harry Forever vs. Goonswarm
Harry Forever
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#63 - 2015-07-15 13:57:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Harry Forever
Captain Awkward wrote:
Harry Forever wrote:
I don't understand why you people are so butthurt, if the random fleets are so bad why not be happy for some stuff to shoot at?

lets bring the fleet system I'm talking about in place and lets see if your "talents" to form a fleet are really needed

pretty sure people who join my fleetsystem know how to hit F1 as good as your "professionals"

most of you alliance guys suffer from the illusion that random people could not easily do what you do, at the end you are just random people as well... the system just simplifys fleeting up and makes you "important" smartmouth people a bit unimportant

and thats what you fear the most, not beeing able to tell everybody how good you are


There is more to fleets then pressing F1. Beeing in the same system, warping to the same location at the same range at the same time, targeting the same target, calling out points, distributing ewar, switching from one target to a other at the same time.

You cant do that without coms. Simple as that.

Why people dont want your LFG tool to be integrated ? Because it is usually only the first step. First you whine about fletting up is so dificult and you want a fleet finder. When you get it, you will start to complain that your random fleet is not able to do acomplish anything because of missing coordination. So you whine again that the game should get simplyfied to give you a chance.

You know how LFR groups in WoW tend to break appart at the first wipe? You think it would be different in EvE? What kind of ships to you think people will bring into those random fleets? Shine BS ? Lol.


you can do communication with a simple UI button system, all you need for a fleet can be done with less than 10 buttons, unless you have fleetmembers without a brain then you need coms so you can explain them every step they normally use their brains for...

trust me, my system will be used only by people who are not that stupid, if you want to be a teacher and like students then keep your way of doing things, no problem

your coms are not needed for the typical gamer though, it's just anoying to hear you guys talking

Harry Forever vs. Goonswarm
Neuntausend
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#64 - 2015-07-15 13:57:14 UTC
So, you are implying that everybody posting here is an alt of mine now? You are clutching at straws, Harry.
Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#65 - 2015-07-15 14:02:49 UTC
harry.....i dont think eve is for you, I hear Halo has some great matchmaking abilities where you dont have to do anything. Your idea is fckin stupid please go do something more productive instead of babling this troll baiting camel waste on the forums

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*
Harry Forever
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#66 - 2015-07-15 14:10:21 UTC
eve has become too much of a smartass game where some crazy dickheads control the entire game, it needs to get back to what gaming is about, there needs to be more options to bypassing the social interaction if you don't want that ****, people are getting tired of that, they want to play a game sure with others however the social interaction they want is by gaming not by talking to some kids that are just full of themselves

the numbers are growing, all aspects of the game need to be accessible without coms to attract a greater audience and to reduce the influence of the dickheads

Harry Forever vs. Goonswarm
Elinarien
Doomheim
#67 - 2015-07-15 14:10:25 UTC
A Wow-style LFR in Eve would be hilarious. There's enough drama and tears in LFR as it is - now in Eve when the opposite side loses and x bills worth of plex-paid for ships goes up in smoke the opportunities for tear harvesting, trolling and baiting would exceed anything produced by Code or the Goons. I'd spend all my time watching the recordings on youtube.
Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#68 - 2015-07-15 14:16:23 UTC
Harry Forever wrote:
eve has become too much of a smartass game where some crazy dickheads control the entire game, it needs to get back to what gaming is about, there needs to be more options to bypassing the social interaction if you don't want that ****, people are getting tired of that, they want to play a game sure with others however the social interaction they want is by gaming not by talking to some kids that are just full of themselves

the numbers are growing, all aspects of the game need to be accessible without coms to attract a greater audience and to reduce the influence of the dickheads


no they dont and stop trolling

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*
Vishanka
White Ops
#69 - 2015-07-15 14:24:32 UTC
Left WoW and came here because I heard you actually interact with people here. I was not disappointed and want it to stay that way.
Nat Silverguard
Aideron Robotics
Aideron Robotics.
#70 - 2015-07-15 14:36:39 UTC
Harry Forever wrote:
Neuntausend wrote:
I have an idea: Create a fleet, give it a descriptive name, make it open to everyone, put a fleet advert up and link it in jita local. Then tell us how it worked out. Better yet, record it and put it on youtube.


no UI Buttons are there for communication, as well as the do not shoot fleetmember option is missing for that

I think you do not understand my idea


there's a lot of things going on and required to herd and maneuver a proper fleet especially during fights that can not be expressed properly with just "orbit/keep at range" commands.

Just Add Water
Baaldor
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#71 - 2015-07-15 14:39:44 UTC
Harry Forever wrote:
eve has become too much of a smartass game where some crazy dickheads control the entire game, it needs to get back to what gaming is about, there needs to be more options to bypassing the social interaction if you don't want that ****, people are getting tired of that, they want to play a game sure with others however the social interaction they want is by gaming not by talking to some kids that are just full of themselves

the numbers are growing, all aspects of the game need to be accessible without coms to attract a greater audience and to reduce the influence of the dickheads



Nope, what you fail to grasp is that this Game was designed a certain way. It has been called a niche game for a very long time, and it appeals to a group of gamers that have been looking for this sort of game. As in there is no other game like it.

That is why there are people that has been here for a very long time, it is not WoW, it is not like anyother. And that is why you get reponses like this.

As i see it, we have a group of people that has been enjoying the game as it is intended, and playing for quite a while, new people show up and see what we see and they too enjoy it.

However, then we get this self centered socially challenged folk that seem to want the rules to and mechanics to be changed and catered to them. Knowing full well, that after a a short period of time you will go on to another game and turn that into a an abortion of some sort too.
Harry Forever
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#72 - 2015-07-15 14:40:29 UTC
Nat Silverguard wrote:
Harry Forever wrote:
Neuntausend wrote:
I have an idea: Create a fleet, give it a descriptive name, make it open to everyone, put a fleet advert up and link it in jita local. Then tell us how it worked out. Better yet, record it and put it on youtube.


no UI Buttons are there for communication, as well as the do not shoot fleetmember option is missing for that

I think you do not understand my idea


there's a lot of things going on and required to herd and maneuver a proper fleet especially during fights that can not be expressed properly with just "orbit/keep at range" commands.


listen to the coms, Primary Primary Primary, warp warp warp, repeat... the rest is just in your head

Harry Forever vs. Goonswarm
Captain Awkward
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#73 - 2015-07-15 14:45:27 UTC
Quote:
trust me, my system will be used only by people who are not that stupid, if you want to be a teacher and like students then keep your way of doing things, no problem


Oh. So you allready know that only smart and serious people will use your randomly accessible system with no crontoll of AFK or unfitted ship ? Because that worked our so well in every other occasion that this was tryed ever. Do you even listen to yourself ?

Harry Forever wrote:
eve has become too much of a smartass game where some crazy dickheads control the entire game, it needs to get back to what gaming is about, there needs to be more options to bypassing the social interaction if you don't want that ****, people are getting tired of that, they want to play a game sure with others however the social interaction they want is by gaming not by talking to some kids that are just full of themselves

the numbers are growing, all aspects of the game need to be accessible without coms to attract a greater audience and to reduce the influence of the dickheads


If you dont want social interaction, go and play one of the thoused games out there that do not need social interaction.

New players need to be integreted into the social comunity and not dragged into a LFG tool only to find the same mind numbing idioty as in other games with sutch systems.
Baaldor
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#74 - 2015-07-15 14:47:44 UTC
Harry Forever wrote:
Nat Silverguard wrote:
Harry Forever wrote:
Neuntausend wrote:
I have an idea: Create a fleet, give it a descriptive name, make it open to everyone, put a fleet advert up and link it in jita local. Then tell us how it worked out. Better yet, record it and put it on youtube.


no UI Buttons are there for communication, as well as the do not shoot fleetmember option is missing for that

I think you do not understand my idea


there's a lot of things going on and required to herd and maneuver a proper fleet especially during fights that can not be expressed properly with just "orbit/keep at range" commands.


listen to the coms, Primary Primary Primary, warp warp warp, repeat... the rest is just in your head


Not sure how you can promote some sort of change to something you really do not have any sort of clue about.


Nat Silverguard
Aideron Robotics
Aideron Robotics.
#75 - 2015-07-15 14:48:20 UTC
Harry Forever wrote:
Nat Silverguard wrote:
Harry Forever wrote:
Neuntausend wrote:
I have an idea: Create a fleet, give it a descriptive name, make it open to everyone, put a fleet advert up and link it in jita local. Then tell us how it worked out. Better yet, record it and put it on youtube.


no UI Buttons are there for communication, as well as the do not shoot fleetmember option is missing for that

I think you do not understand my idea


there's a lot of things going on and required to herd and maneuver a proper fleet especially during fights that can not be expressed properly with just "orbit/keep at range" commands.


listen to the coms, Primary Primary Primary, warp warp warp, repeat... the rest is just in your head


well, it's obvious that you don't have experience flying with awseome fcs, it's ok, but it's unfair to drag everybody to your standards because of it. What?

Just Add Water
Harry Forever
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#76 - 2015-07-15 14:49:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Harry Forever
Baaldor wrote:
Harry Forever wrote:
eve has become too much of a smartass game where some crazy dickheads control the entire game, it needs to get back to what gaming is about, there needs to be more options to bypassing the social interaction if you don't want that ****, people are getting tired of that, they want to play a game sure with others however the social interaction they want is by gaming not by talking to some kids that are just full of themselves

the numbers are growing, all aspects of the game need to be accessible without coms to attract a greater audience and to reduce the influence of the dickheads



Nope, what you fail to grasp is that this Game was designed a certain way. It has been called a niche game for a very long time, and it appeals to a group of gamers that have been looking for this sort of game. As in there is no other game like it.

That is why there are people that has been here for a very long time, it is not WoW, it is not like anyother. And that is why you get reponses like this.

As i see it, we have a group of people that has been enjoying the game as it is intended, and playing for quite a while, new people show up and see what we see and they too enjoy it.

However, then we get this self centered socially challenged folk that seem to want the rules to and mechanics to be changed and catered to them. Knowing full well, that after a a short period of time you will go on to another game and turn that into a an abortion of some sort too.





you want to keep everything the same because you are just unable to adapt... you are not advanced enough to understand where I'm going or what direction the world is going

you are unable to understand that future human interaction will happen via technical solutions instead of your apemouth and ears

you are unable to grasp my vision, you just want to baa with your friends like sheeps on the meadow

Harry Forever vs. Goonswarm
Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#77 - 2015-07-15 14:53:11 UTC
you are not advanced enough to form a fleet yet you accuse others for not being advanced because they dont see your vision for effortless gameplay

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*
Nat Silverguard
Aideron Robotics
Aideron Robotics.
#78 - 2015-07-15 14:54:39 UTC
Harry Forever wrote:

you want to keep everything the same because you are just unable to adapt... you are not advanced enough to understand where I'm going or what direction the world is going


now i'm confused. What?

you are the one asking things to be dumb down because you can't adapt on how EvE works. Roll

Just Add Water
Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#79 - 2015-07-15 14:56:18 UTC
Actually a pretty good troll thread. Blink

Seriously, EvE has a couple of good matchmaking features like chat channels, FW plexes, Entosis links and combat probes Twisted.

I'm my own NPC alt.
flakeys
Doomheim
#80 - 2015-07-15 14:56:19 UTC
Harry Forever wrote:
Etara Silverblade wrote:
What you're looking for is Spectre Fleets. Fleets for anyone. Just join and go shoot others.

Check it out: http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/community-spotlight-spectre-fleets/


does not work for 90% of the gamers, too complicated, a matchmaking system is needed to fleet the randoms up



So you are saying 90% of the eve players are complete idiots?Bit unfair to think everyone's like you isn't it harry?

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.