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Continuation of the Discussion on the destroyed slave freighter

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Utari Onzo
Escalated.
OnlyFleets.
#61 - 2015-07-14 06:33:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Utari Onzo
Double post

"Face the enemy as a solid wall For faith is your armor And through it, the enemy will find no breach Wrap your arms around the enemy For faith is your fire And with it, burn away his evil"

Leopold Caine
Stillwater Corporation
#62 - 2015-07-14 06:38:47 UTC
Hakkod wrote:
Within all this sounds a call towards the chance at a better life that many hear and follow.
At the conclusion of a very delicate operation, PFR forces managed to liberate a covert transport containing a significant number of Minmatar slaves from the Angel Cartel.


I thought you had enough of a clusterfuck on your hands without trying to dig your way out of this through such improbable and petty lies.

Did you really think we wouldn't notice?

In either way, I'll let Sinjin wrap this one up; from what I've heard, some of your peers already know the truth. Looking forward to that redaction, Mr. Hakkod, and what kind of a wild story you'll come up with next.
  • Leopold Caine, Domination Malakim

Angels are never far...

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Hakkod
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#63 - 2015-07-14 09:24:01 UTC
Sinjin Mokk wrote:
Hakkod wrote:

At the conclusion of a very delicate operation, PFR forces managed to liberate a covert transport containing a significant number of Minmatar slaves from the Angel Cartel. The Phoebe Freeport Republic has not yet managed to uncover what the Dominations planned with these "resources", but we are confident that ongoing Intelligence efforts will soon yield results. Nevertheless, we could not let injustice stand.



I strongly suggest you redact this right now before the truth of where and how you got those slaves becomes very common knowledge.

You disgrace your Corp, your Alliance, your Empire and your God with your lies.

I'm giving you one shot at redemption.

Angels...are never far.



Lord Spod is the one true God.

And Walter is His only begotten.
Sinjin Mokk
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#64 - 2015-07-14 11:43:19 UTC
Hakkod wrote:


Lord Spod is the one true God.

And Walter is His only begotten.



Oh...I see now.

You're a mewling idiot.

I guess that will have to suffice as a redaction. Try not to hurt yourself speaking in public again. And try not to drool on the deck quite so much.

"Angels live, they never die, Apart from us, behind the sky. They're fading souls who've turned to ice, So ashen white in paradise."

Akrasjel Lanate
Immemorial Coalescence Administration
Immemorial Coalescence
#65 - 2015-07-14 13:33:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Akrasjel Lanate
How does this thousand compares to the millions that possibly died from the moment when this thread has been started.
What makes them so special.

CEO of Lanate Industries

Citizen of Solitude

Liam Antolliere
Doomheim
#66 - 2015-07-14 16:43:32 UTC
Akrasjel Lanate wrote:
How does this thousand compares to the millions that possibly died from the moment when this thread has been started.
What makes them so special.


Principle.

To explain:

While fair, your question represents a misunderstanding of the purpose of this discussion. It's not the number of people that were killed, nor is it the manner in which they were killed. It's the principle behind the situation that led to their deaths.

"Though the people may hate me, that does not relieve me of my charge."

Kahar Dex
Imperial Dreams
The Curatores Veritatis Auxiliary
#67 - 2015-07-14 17:06:40 UTC
From the Office of His Imminence Cardinal Kahar Dex:

On the matter concerning the Phoebe Freeport Republic Incident:

- No prior diplomatic communiqué was received by either Alliance Executor, or CVA Diplomats
- Pilots of the PFR joined CVA diplomatic channels with provocative demeanors whom were subsequently banned from said channels
- Forces within the PFR opened fire on the station at D-GTMI
- Forces within the PFR then began attacking a friendly SBU on the T-R gate

It was at this point the Providence Coalition fleet arrived in system. There was no diplomatic messages sent to the Amarrian Fleet Commander, nor was a request to parlay made in local channels.

CVA-Provi fleet was responding to distress calls from the station, and auto-alerts send from the SBU under fire, and was prepared to defend it's sovereignty (as such, no ships were equipped with cargo-hold scanning equipment).

Upon careful scrutiny of local logs, disclosure of the slaves aboard the freighter did not occur until after the destruction of the vessel.

If the freighter were indeed meant as a "peace" offering to the CVA, then this is a costly lesson in art of normal diplomatic procedures (i.e. you don't just show up to someone's doorstep claiming to have a gift, while simultaneously lighting their front yard on fire). Costly both in terms of their financial losses (est. @ 12b) as well as in the innocent lives lost.

If the PFR were attempting a maneuver the use of innocent slaves as "flesh jackets" or as remedies to garner press, then these acts are condemnable by the Amarr faith, and held in utmost disdain.

The PFR may subject themselves to the Amarr faith in contrition and repentance (the degree of which is dependent on whether this loss is the result of carelessness/negligence or actual evil intentions.

The CVA mourns the loss of those innocent slaves, and entrusts them into the hands of the Most High God.

His Eminence Cardinal Kahar Dex of the CVA and Imperial Dreams. Follow The Cardinal: @kahardex

Hakkod
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#68 - 2015-07-14 17:24:09 UTC
As previously outlined, PFR members communicated the presence of slaves approximately two hours before the destruction of the Fenrir-class Minmatar Freighter.

Another important distinction to be made on the topic that is being so carefully skirted around: The Phoebe Freeport Republic does not fire upon unarmed industrial and commercial vessels in our sovereign space.

Additionally, neither does PFR insult members of foreign diplomatic corps present in public forum.

Adamantly,
Hakkod

Head Diplomat
Licentia Ex Vereor
Phoebe Freeport Republic
Kalaratiri
Full Broadside
Deepwater Hooligans
#69 - 2015-07-14 18:39:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Kalaratiri
Hakkod wrote:
PFR forces managed to liberate a covert transport containing a significant number of Minmatar slaves from the Angel Cartel. The Phoebe Freeport Republic has not yet managed to uncover what the Dominations planned with these "resources", but we are confident that ongoing Intelligence efforts will soon yield results. Nevertheless, we could not let injustice stand.



Ruuuude.

She's mad but she's magic, there's no lie in her fire.

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Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#70 - 2015-07-14 19:47:58 UTC
Cardinal Dex,

Forgive me for the... question, that may sound like an inquiry - it really is not - but some voices mentioned that the CVA fleet targeted the freighter and proceeded to its destruction first, before anything else... ?
Sammie MacWinters
Gradient
Electus Matari
#71 - 2015-07-14 21:25:37 UTC
Please stop.
Anyanka Funk
Doomheim
#72 - 2015-07-14 21:57:33 UTC
Sammie MacWinters wrote:
Please stop.


Who and what exactly?
Nauplius
Hoi Andrapodistai
#73 - 2015-07-15 00:49:21 UTC
As the undisputed leading authority in all of New Eden on the subject of slave freighter destruction, having twice offered over 200,000 slaves to God in this manner, I do hereby pronounce —

It is altogether righteous and good to offer a sacrifice of slaves to the Blood God at the start of a military campaign. Such a sacrifice cleanses one's sins and proves one ready and willing to do violence in God's name. Indeed, I have long urged the Empire to prove itself worthy of a new Reclaiming with a huge sacrifice of slaves.

However, there are three problem's with PFR's sacrifice. First, the number of slaves was not sufficient. I personally have twice sacrificed over a million slaves to God. Surely, a great and powerful Alliance like PFR can offer up more than a measly 1000 slaves; such numbers do not impress a holy and righteous God. Second, the PFR sacrifice appears to lack correct form. Slaves should be sacrificed in a grand religious rite intended to produce a consecration of the filthy Minmatar base matter into a worthy sacrifice onto a holy and righteous God. PFR, on the other hand, just dragged the slaves along during a combat mission and didn't even do the shooting of the slaves themselves. Third, the sacrifice appears to be aimed at a non-righteous purpose. Providence is like the Amarr Empire — wayward and liberal. Despite that, it is still part of the Chosen people of God, and not an appropriate target for invasion. Go invade someone else instead.

Amen. Amarr Victor.
Anyanka Funk
Doomheim
#74 - 2015-07-15 01:06:28 UTC
Nauplius wrote:
As the undisputed leading authority in all of New Eden on the subject of slave freighter destruction, having twice offered over 200,000 slaves to God in this manner, I do hereby pronounce —

It is altogether righteous and good to offer a sacrifice of slaves to the Blood God at the start of a military campaign. Such a sacrifice cleanses one's sins and proves one ready and willing to do violence in God's name. Indeed, I have long urged the Empire to prove itself worthy of a new Reclaiming with a huge sacrifice of slaves.

However, there are three problem's with PFR's sacrifice. First, the number of slaves was not sufficient. I personally have twice sacrificed over a million slaves to God. Surely, a great and powerful Alliance like PFR can offer up more than a measly 1000 slaves; such numbers do not impress a holy and righteous God. Second, the PFR sacrifice appears to lack correct form. Slaves should be sacrificed in a grand religious rite intended to produce a consecration of the filthy Minmatar base matter into a worthy sacrifice onto a holy and righteous God. PFR, on the other hand, just dragged the slaves along during a combat mission and didn't even do the shooting of the slaves themselves. Third, the sacrifice appears to be aimed at a non-righteous purpose. Providence is like the Amarr Empire — wayward and liberal. Despite that, it is still part of the Chosen people of God, and not an appropriate target for invasion. Go invade someone else instead.

Amen. Amarr Victor.

Finally!
I've been waiting for this post.
Sinjin Mokk
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#75 - 2015-07-15 01:37:27 UTC
Anyanka Funk wrote:
Nauplius wrote:
As the undisputed leading authority in all of New Eden on the subject of slave freighter destruction, having twice offered over 200,000 slaves to God in this manner, I do hereby pronounce —

It is altogether righteous and good to offer a sacrifice of slaves to the Blood God at the start of a military campaign. Such a sacrifice cleanses one's sins and proves one ready and willing to do violence in God's name. Indeed, I have long urged the Empire to prove itself worthy of a new Reclaiming with a huge sacrifice of slaves.

However, there are three problem's with PFR's sacrifice. First, the number of slaves was not sufficient. I personally have twice sacrificed over a million slaves to God. Surely, a great and powerful Alliance like PFR can offer up more than a measly 1000 slaves; such numbers do not impress a holy and righteous God. Second, the PFR sacrifice appears to lack correct form. Slaves should be sacrificed in a grand religious rite intended to produce a consecration of the filthy Minmatar base matter into a worthy sacrifice onto a holy and righteous God. PFR, on the other hand, just dragged the slaves along during a combat mission and didn't even do the shooting of the slaves themselves. Third, the sacrifice appears to be aimed at a non-righteous purpose. Providence is like the Amarr Empire — wayward and liberal. Despite that, it is still part of the Chosen people of God, and not an appropriate target for invasion. Go invade someone else instead.

Amen. Amarr Victor.

Finally!
I've been waiting for this post.



Also,

"BWAHAHAHA"

"Angels live, they never die, Apart from us, behind the sky. They're fading souls who've turned to ice, So ashen white in paradise."

Lord Kailethre
Tengoo Uninstallation Service
#76 - 2015-07-15 10:59:53 UTC
Nauplius should join PFR.
He seems like he'd be a good FC for them.
Yon Tu-Ka
Baozi-You-Rou
Northern Coalition.
#77 - 2015-07-16 08:12:05 UTC
Lyn Farel wrote:
Cardinal Dex,

Forgive me for the... question, that may sound like an inquiry - it really is not - but some voices mentioned that the CVA fleet targeted the freighter and proceeded to its destruction first, before anything else... ?


My dear Lady,

according to unofficial data analysis, the freighter was targeted and destroyed about 3 minutes into the engagement. Just a couple of frigate class vessels and a battlecruiser died before the freighter was destructed.

By any means, for me this does not feel right. One would assume that a harmless, unarmed freighter could be spared of the missiles of your fleet until all combat threats are eliminated. This did not happen. I know, that our "entering the stage" maneuver was not the most appropiate thing to do, but still it gets dwarfed by primaring the only unarmed vessel of an enemy fleet plus fielding a doctrine that can easily match, if not overwhelm, the forces that we fielded.

Yours,
one of the pilot that died more than one death on that day.


=== OOC ===

http://evf-eve.com/services/brcat/?s=3709&b=6587850&e=152&t=uvvvvb&r=1&ro=15 -> look at the timeline. It died at the beginning. :(
Kontrahage
Perkone
Caldari State
#78 - 2015-07-16 11:33:06 UTC
After following this discussion here and the unrelated thread originally opened by Lord Vaari
I am astonished as how much controversy has erupted over the destruction of this freighter
in 0.0 that was part of a combat operation without previous scans
while the mass murder of freighter crews in hisec by a madman who claims the amarr throne
for humanitarian reasons and his known marauder supporters is mostly ignored.

Some even seem to sympathize simply because they question her Imperial Majesty's legitimacy.
However even if one had those doubts would Singularity not still be a monster to be opposed?
Anmia Ambraelle
Dutch East Querious Company
#79 - 2015-07-17 21:25:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Anmia Ambraelle
Sinjin Mokk wrote:
Hakkod wrote:


Lord Spod is the one true God.

And Walter is His only begotten.



Oh...I see now.

You're a mewling idiot.

I guess that will have to suffice as a redaction. Try not to hurt yourself speaking in public again. And try not to drool on the deck quite so much.


Mock not! Lord Spod is with us in his many aspects.

Walter, his begotten, guides us through the perils of space.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#80 - 2015-07-18 07:58:46 UTC
Kontrahage wrote:
After following this discussion here and the unrelated thread originally opened by Lord Vaari
I am astonished as how much controversy has erupted over the destruction of this freighter
in 0.0 that was part of a combat operation without previous scans
while the mass murder of freighter crews in hisec by a madman who claims the amarr throne
for humanitarian reasons and his known marauder supporters is mostly ignored.

Some even seem to sympathize simply because they question her Imperial Majesty's legitimacy.
However even if one had those doubts would Singularity not still be a monster to be opposed?

Lots of noise out of nothing. Just 1000 slaves, just one freighter, but people are trying to make points and propagate their interests just by blaming each other in their deaths.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.