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Lan Wang
African Atomic.
Dreadnought Diplomacy.
#21 - 2015-07-14 12:46:03 UTC
people will just make alts and putting a restriction on posts just cripples interaction and the social aspect, who even uses local anyway What?

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*

Elizabet Forgrave
Spectre Fleet Ltd.
Spectre Fleet Alliance
#22 - 2015-07-14 12:59:49 UTC
Lan Wang wrote:
people will just make alts and putting a restriction on posts just cripples interaction and the social aspect, who even uses local anyway What?
There are ways to restrict it without restricting all chat. I've seen many games implement algorithms to work that out. As for making alts, make it bannable to avoid the chat filter, most people then wouldn't try. And I use local, others do too, many more would if it wasn't filled with spam.
Renegade Heart
Doomheim
#23 - 2015-07-14 13:04:29 UTC
Elizabet Forgrave wrote:
Lan Wang wrote:
people will just make alts and putting a restriction on posts just cripples interaction and the social aspect, who even uses local anyway What?
There are ways to restrict it without restricting all chat. I've seen many games implement algorithms to work that out. As for making alts, make it bannable to avoid the chat filter, most people then wouldn't try. And I use local, others do too, many more would if it wasn't filled with spam.


I got an idea. You create a channel called the anti-spam channel or something. Then you are mod and can kick people.

Then you spam that channel link in local to get people to join your channel which is free of spam!

Fight spam with spam.
Angelica Dreamstar
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2015-07-14 13:05:59 UTC
Lan Wang wrote:
people will just make alts and putting a restriction on posts just cripples interaction and the social aspect, who even uses local anyway What?

Isn't it weird that putting much less than a minute of into clicking block a few times is considered too much work, but wanting devs to waste hours on this, potentially killing communication, isn't? Lol

bingo, his pig not being a goat doesn't make the pig wrong, just him an idiot for shouting at his pig "WHY ARENT YOU A GOAT!" (Source)

-- Ralph King-Griffin, about deranged people playing EVE ONLINE

Angelica Dreamstar
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2015-07-14 13:09:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Angelica Dreamstar
Elizabet Forgrave wrote:
Renegade Heart wrote:
All I can suggest, if blocking isn't a solution for you is to minimise local, or go somewhere else.
This is a solution, sure, but I still wonder why a workaround solution is required for such a simple thing as keeping chat clear of spam.

Angelica Dreamstar wrote:
I wasn't outraged. That's you reading it into my post.
Clearly you were and still are. People don't launch into attacks just to "tell it how it is". I've read your posts and this seems to be a common trait.

Angelica Dreamstar wrote:
-> You can NOT remove the spam without removing the scams! <-
Of course you can. A simple limit to the number of times you're allowed to hammer out an advertisement in local would do that. Notice that scams are allowed in many forums here, such as MD, and scams occur, yet the forums aren't filled with spam posts like local chat. What you seem to be upset about is that without spam you won't be able to shotgun scams to thousands and thousands of people and might actually have to put in some effort rather than copy-pasting someone else's scam text then re-rolling your alt when too many people block you.

Well, no, I am not. That's you unable to cope with my opposition. And again, no, you can not remove spam without removing the scams, because they are mostly the same. You can try to twist it all you want, but most the absolute majority of spam comes from scammers. You want to deny that? Good luck! Lol

And it's funny how you predictably call me a scammer, even though I'm not. Y'If you want to remove spwm, then block people. That's the solution to your absolutely personal problem.

Thousands of others are able to deal with it, yet you special person need to makema thread about it. I know there is no way to make you realize you're not special or even average, but pointing out that you fail to do what tens of thousands can do might tell you something. Lol

bingo, his pig not being a goat doesn't make the pig wrong, just him an idiot for shouting at his pig "WHY ARENT YOU A GOAT!" (Source)

-- Ralph King-Griffin, about deranged people playing EVE ONLINE

Jeanne Tivianne
#26 - 2015-07-14 13:22:34 UTC
Scamming has been a part of Eve since forever, and local is and necessary part of scamming. It only seems like spamming because 500 people are all posting one thing at the same time. Creating a filter will kill that aspect of the game.







But really though, it would be better for everyone if you just used the block feature, minimized local, or left the hubs, compared to having the devs waste time making a filter, applying the patch, and troubleshooting the bugs it creates. Time better spent on actual issues or new things.







This thread's going places.
Elizabet Forgrave
Spectre Fleet Ltd.
Spectre Fleet Alliance
#27 - 2015-07-14 13:55:09 UTC
Angelica Dreamstar wrote:
Lan Wang wrote:
people will just make alts and putting a restriction on posts just cripples interaction and the social aspect, who even uses local anyway What?

Isn't it weird that putting much less than a minute of into clicking block a few times is considered too much work, but wanting devs to waste hours on this, potentially killing communication, isn't? Lol
It's not that it's too much effort, btu it's a pointless waste of time that does little to block people's alts. Stick in a "block every alt created on this account" function and it's less of a problem, but would still be a pointless mechanic to preserve. CCP make changes to make what we do easier, it's why you can now right click 100 items and sell them all in one go. It's why you can copy an EFT fitting and click a single button in game to import it. Effectively the only difference here is that you're crying about this one either because you like to spam or more likely because you're a massive troll who would argue regardless of what is said. That can be resolved though, using that handy block function. *block* One troll down.

Angelica Dreamstar wrote:
And again, no, you can not remove spam without removing the scams, because they are mostly the same.
...

Thousands of others are able to deal with it, yet you special person need to makema thread about it.
No, they aren't. The laziest players copy-paste scams. Decent scams require no spam.

Thousands of people put up with it, that doesn't mean they wouldn't like to see it gone.

Jeanne Tivianne wrote:
Scamming has been a part of Eve since forever, and local is and necessary part of scamming. It only seems like spamming because 500 people are all posting one thing at the same time. Creating a filter will kill that aspect of the game.
I honestly don't believe it would. Spamming isn't the only or even the best method of scamming. And it seems like spamming because it is in fact spamming. Someone posting the same piece of text every 30 seconds for a whole day is spamming. That it's made worse by there being 500 characters (not people, a lot of these will be alts of other scammers) doesn't mean it's not spam in itself.

Angelica Dreamstar wrote:
But really though, it would be better for everyone if you just used the block feature, minimized local, or left the hubs, compared to having the devs waste time making a filter, applying the patch, and troubleshooting the bugs it creates. Time better spent on actual issues or new things.
Wait, what? Are you saying that because CCP can't make a chat filter that they shouldn't improve the chat by removing mass spam? Deos this apply to the rest of the game? Maybe CCP should just stop making changes altogether if you think it's a bad thing for devs to dev. They wasted their time changing the overview from plusses to triangles, and somehow making local chat better for socialisng would be more of a waste?
Algarion Getz
Aideron Corp
#28 - 2015-07-14 16:00:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Algarion Getz
Zappity wrote:
It's only a real problem in the trade hubs. Also, remember that you can block people.
Not really. My home system is 11 jumps away from the next trade hub and after a few months, my blocklist contained 81 players. Although i have to say, i consider all EVE gambling sites as scam too and block their advertisers.

The scammers are everywhere in highsec. They fly around in shuttles and post their scam in every system the pass. Its not a big problem, but a nuiscance becuase it clutters chat. In my opinion they should be treated like spammers.
Freya Sertan
Doomheim
#29 - 2015-07-14 16:37:31 UTC
This is where someone says "lolhighseclocal". Like ANYTHING in local in highsec is worth reading. Keep it open for intel outside of highsec/hubs and ignore it any other time.

New Eden isn't nice. It isn't friendly. It isn't very hospitiable. Good thing there are people here to shoot in the face.

Want to make New Eden a nice place? Try this out.

Elizabet Forgrave
Spectre Fleet Ltd.
Spectre Fleet Alliance
#30 - 2015-07-14 16:56:35 UTC
Freya Sertan wrote:
This is where someone says "lolhighseclocal". Like ANYTHING in local in highsec is worth reading. Keep it open for intel outside of highsec/hubs and ignore it any other time.
Yeah, that's been said. Isn't that a sad state of affairs though? A social mechanic that gets ignored because it's basically unusable in the systems with the most reason to use it.
Oxide Ammar
#31 - 2015-07-14 17:46:13 UTC
Angelica Dreamstar wrote:
Lan Wang wrote:
people will just make alts and putting a restriction on posts just cripples interaction and the social aspect, who even uses local anyway What?

Isn't it weird that putting much less than a minute of into clicking block a few times is considered too much work, but wanting devs to waste hours on this, potentially killing communication, isn't? Lol


You are paying the Dev from your own pocket ?

Lady Areola Fappington:  Solo PVP isn't dead!  You just need to make sure you have your booster, remote rep, cyno, and emergency Falcon alts logged in and ready before you do any solo PVPing.

Freya Sertan
Doomheim
#32 - 2015-07-14 17:46:53 UTC
Elizabet Forgrave wrote:
Freya Sertan wrote:
This is where someone says "lolhighseclocal". Like ANYTHING in local in highsec is worth reading. Keep it open for intel outside of highsec/hubs and ignore it any other time.
Yeah, that's been said.Isn't that a sad state of affairs though? A social mechanic that gets ignored because it's basically unusable in the systems with the most reason to use it.


D'oh. My bad, figured it was said.

Not as I see it. There are MANY other chat options than using local.

New Eden isn't nice. It isn't friendly. It isn't very hospitiable. Good thing there are people here to shoot in the face.

Want to make New Eden a nice place? Try this out.

Elizabet Forgrave
Spectre Fleet Ltd.
Spectre Fleet Alliance
#33 - 2015-07-14 18:04:40 UTC
Freya Sertan wrote:
Not as I see it. There are MANY other chat options than using local.
Sure, but most you have to know about in advance. I like the idea of flying about chatting with the locals with new people flying past any time. That being ruined by people saturating the chat with spam messages hoping for one or two idiots to fall for their copy-paste scam just seems like a waste to me.
Yarda Black
The Black Redemption
#34 - 2015-07-14 18:10:13 UTC
Youre running around in space where people need Commandships and Marauders to do NPC frig anomalies. You're expecting too much from that piece of EVE imo.

I close local when I'm in h-sec. Which is becoming rarer and rarer to be honest.
Maldiro Selkurk
Radiation Sickness
#35 - 2015-07-14 21:17:38 UTC
Wait, you actually look at local in highsec?

I think i have narrowed down the problem.

Yawn,  I'm right as usual. The predictability kinda gets boring really.

Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#36 - 2015-07-14 21:29:30 UTC
The main reasons to look at local in highsec are for intel, and to laugh at people who rage when another player makes them explode.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Lan Wang
African Atomic.
Dreadnought Diplomacy.
#37 - 2015-07-14 21:37:33 UTC
Elizabet Forgrave wrote:
Freya Sertan wrote:
Not as I see it. There are MANY other chat options than using local.
Sure, but most you have to know about in advance. I like the idea of flying about chatting with the locals with new people flying past any time. That being ruined by people saturating the chat with spam messages hoping for one or two idiots to fall for their copy-paste scam just seems like a waste to me.


why not join a player corp and make some friends? then you wont care about local

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*

Cypherous
Liberty Rogues
Aprilon Dynasty
#38 - 2015-07-15 04:52:40 UTC
Elizabet Forgrave wrote:
simple limit to the number of times you're allowed to hammer out an advertisement in local would do that.


Spam filters are easy enough to bypass, you just have a series of adverts that are different enough from each other to slip through the filter, imposing a max messages per x wouldn't help either, also, when i'm in jita its normally a number of people all spamming different things which makes chat scroll by so the filter wouldn't even be that useful, also, just ignore local, i barely use it outside of when i'm sitting in null doing relic sites :P
PhantomMajor
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#39 - 2015-07-15 05:13:28 UTC
Trajan Unknown wrote:
Starbuck05 wrote:
Zappity wrote:
It's only a real problem in the trade hubs. Also, remember that you can block people.



Yea but these special snowflakes make new accounts each day and there's only so much clicking till your mouse gets exhausted


I have a char sitting mostly in Amarr and one mostly in Jita and both locals are pretty tamed by now. Every now and then a new scambot/char pops up but I barely see any scam spam and even made some good deals because of the local chat offers. I didn´t even knew people actually advertise good deals in local but well, it happens and now I see them. :)

So it´s worth blocking all the scambots/users. Not much work and once you got threw the big chunks it´s just adding more when they pop up but it´s not many.


A toon in amarr eh, is your alt Spaceship Barbie by any chance?
Vortexo VonBrenner
Doomheim
#40 - 2015-07-15 05:40:20 UTC
OP, I know an absolutely certain and easy (and legal!) way to fix local to make it so someone never has to see the stupid spam anymore, ever again. Not many people know about this secret, but I do! Just send me only 500 million isk and I will send you a detailed mail explaining the secret to your new spam-free EvE freedom! I look. forward to doing business with you soon!









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