EVE General Discussion

Nothing stopping you dropping a few bill on officer mods for your drake to give you that capitalist edge.

Not sure, but I'd bed you'd need at least two years to max out any t2 cruiser skill set...

And at least 3 to max out a battleship skill set.

To max out a carrier skill set you'd need to add another year to the bs skill set.

Do you really think a lot of people are focued enough to actually focus on one particular ship?

It sounds like the OP wants to have specialization on top of specialization.

Giving the thought a quick twirl through the mind, what if advancing a specific skill beyond level 5 cost you the lost of an equivalent skill starting at level 5 and working down?

As a quick example, you wish to train Missile Launcher Operations to level 6. Besides a slew of skill required to be at level 5 as prerequisites, the sacrificial skill would be Large (Energy, Hybrid, or Projectile) Turret level 5. Once you start training Missile Launcher Operations 6, you ~forget~ Large Turret 5. Perhaps as a role playing spin, since you do not use a skill regularly, it is subtly forgotten. (Real life example - I learned Calculus in college but have not used it for almost twenty years. I remember bits and pieces but overall...) So once Missile Launcher Operations training surpasses the skill points sacrificed, you begin to loose skill points from Large Turret 4 and so on and so forth.

Thus you are no gaining skill points, but shifting them in a sideways motion.

Just a thought.

Oh yea, adding to the non-sunglasses wearing and deranged avatar picture posters.

I kinda like the thread title.

And I also sympathise (a little) with where the op is coming from - it is *relatively* easy to cap out skills in specific ships and not be able to improve them much more after a point (thinking max specialization small guns and manouvering/systems etc skills on frigates). But its more difficult than he makes out and still takes tens of millions of skill points to get all the ancillary skills up.

But I could be persuaded on a third layer of "super-specializations" perhaps for people what want to go that route that maybe need existing spec Vs as a prereq. I can't see it being terribly onerous to the server at large as long as returns are *diminishing* (ie a 1% per level on the super spec) and have it as a function for truly obessive min maxers :)

Would give something for people in search of the absolute best weaponry skills to throw their training into.

Not sure specialisation on specialisation works particualrly well for a couple of reasons.

1. If the multiplier for next specialisation wan't high enough you'd get a rush of bonuses as you 'cracked' each new specialisation level.

2. If the multiplier where too high the skills would be pretty worthless as they would take forever to train.

I totally fail to see why people are being so ignorant about the idea though (learn player skillz, it takes 2 years anyway)

There are people who have played EVE for years and have maxed the skills they are interested in why not throw them a bone and open up skill VI and possible VII, it would hardley be game breaking ( can't believe someone actually thinks giving vets something to train would break the game ).

My point is it's been like it has for 10 years if the game wants to make another 10 years then it's something that will probably need to be addressed sometime or perhaps you'd prefer nothing be done and we all end up generic 'All V' alts.

This kind of thing isn't equality, it's just another form of discrimination and favourtism.

Girls on this forum can call me sexist for this if they want, but a perfect example is when women ***** and moan about being treated badly in the work place etc. by men because they're women but love it when they're being treated to nice dinners or cheap car insurance purely because they're women. When they have that taken away from them they ***** and moan about how unfair it is that men won't cater to their every need anymore, they're complaining about being treated the same as everyone else, as in, equally.

The facts are that there are many of these so called equality groups who whine for equality but really they only want equality for themselves so they don't have to face hardship, they couldn't give a crap about anyone else, they don't want to be considered equal to everyone else, they just want to be equal amongst themselves, in other words they don't want equality, they want to be treated special at the expense of others.

Me? I want to pew pew anyone with nothing more than a sharp eye and good targeting skills, if I lose in that area then that's fine, I don't want to be given god mode just because I did some grinding a few hours longer than most players can stand. What the OP is talking about is a complete bastardization of the idea of communism and very few people genuinely support the idea anymore, in short, he's talking ****.

You sirrah are a gentleman and a scholar.

Now this is an interesting point, and both sides have validity.

It is true that there can be significant advantages to training up the other two characters on your account, on the other hand everyone instinctively wants their main to truly excel at whatever your main focus is.

I think the game (and player base) is better served by the development of new, and complimentary, area's of game play and their related skills. One example of this was the introduction of T3 ships and their related skills, PI was another. Both added new capabilities to the game, new skills to the game, and complimented existing skills. Indeed they served to give more value to the training of certain existing skills at the same time.

And frankly new (yet related) area's of game play (and equipment) to explore and skill for is ultimately far more interesting that spending huge amounts of time honing a single skill to be 1% better.

When bounty hunting is fleshed out I can easily seeing a new set of skills emerge (along with a completely different aspect of the game to explore).

The same goes for smuggling, black marketeering, comet mining. planetary bombardment, wormhole stabilization, a planetary interaction version designed for moon goo extraction instead of POS mining arrays, remote piloting of fighters/fighter bombers, planetary logistics skills that interact with DUST troops, and the list goes on and on.

I do very much agree with you that there always needs to be new horizons, new things to achieve and explore, new ways to expand the capabilities of your main character. It's just that to me this sort of inter-related development is far more entertaining and worthwhile than simply tacking on an extra level or two to the skill system.

a newer player can be equal to any older player in any ship, the older player will undoubtedly be able to fly more ships better - but ultimatly one ship has a limit to its useful skillset.

New players must specialise from the get go to be on a par, ship for ship.

Generally a year playing nets a new player at least one solid frigate, cruiser and bc. Providing also that remaps and implants are used to boost the process a bit.

The sad part is that i actually had read your posts - which was a complete waste of time since they didn't contain anything other than nonsensical BS.

The way i proposed the addition of new progression skills in several posts above (each new skill tier takes exponentially more time per given sp advantage than the previous one) isn't more complicated than an exponential function. You stated that the maths behind my proposal will create massive headaches - which proves your pathetic weakness at maths. So far you shown you fail at text comprehension, at maths, at good behaviour and at basic logic in this thread. Is there actually anything that you are able to do, except molesting people on the forums with your obvious stupidity ? I think i wasted enough time on you, not going to read your future posts, which will hardly contain anything worth reading anyways.

P.S.: stop posting here with your well known alts, acting like if you were a group of people. This makes you appear even more pathetic.