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CCP - Why did you edit the summit minutes?

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WhyTry1
Comply Or Die
Pandemic Horde
#1 - 2011-09-14 10:55:02 UTC  |  Edited by: WhyTry1
Why? When a time around trust, truth and honesty was needed, so go and change 'alot' the minutes? Why?

All you done is prove, you cannot be trusted, the CSM in CCPs eyes are pretty worthless, and you dont listen to anyone but yourselves. The game is severely going downhill and has done for some time. Your loss I guess..

Personally will never trust another thing CCP says or does..


Interesting thread..

http://treborofthecsm.blogspot.com/2011/09/minutes-of-scandal-of-minutes.html

http://www.pcgamer.com/2011/09/05/eve-online-stellar-council-head-hits-out-at-ccp/

http://www.next-gen.biz/news/ccp-accused-running-eve-online-ground

http://tentonhammer.com/eve/news/eve-online-csm-chairman-takes-aim-at-ccp

Trouble is your screwing your own players and game..real clever move...!
Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#2 - 2011-09-14 12:20:46 UTC
Quote:
We need something new to do, not something new to wear.


We also need improvements to the things that we already do.

Dolce et decorum est pro Imperium mori

Conventia Underking
Underking Family
Khimi Harar
#3 - 2011-09-14 16:56:18 UTC
Hmm... the minutes came out and both groups were satisfied with them. Just took a bit longer. Everyone tries to make themselves look better in public, can't really blame CCP for that.

For God; Salvation is Imperative, but not at the cost of our Humanity!

The Vitoc Problem - Conventia Underking

Varren Dar'khel
Flux Divinity
#4 - 2011-09-14 19:04:45 UTC
Conventia Underking wrote:
Hmm... the minutes came out and both groups were satisfied with them. Just took a bit longer. Everyone tries to make themselves look better in public, can't really blame CCP for that.


CSM was placated, not satisfied. A number of responses from various CSM members claimed a vast amount of editing was done to the Summit Minutes. This did not please CSM, and if you actually read the minutes it obvious why.

And yes I can blame people for trying to make themselves look better, especially at the cost of integrity and honesty.
If you truly believe that what CCP says to us is remotely what they actually mean or intend, you are hopelessly naive.
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
#5 - 2011-09-14 20:01:27 UTC
Hans Jagerblitzen
Ice Fire Warriors
#6 - 2011-09-14 20:09:12 UTC



How many days till your subscription runs out Miilla?? You made a big deal about qutting, just wondering if you're sticking to that or if you changed your mind...

CPM0 Chairman / CSM7 Vice Secretary

Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
#7 - 2011-09-14 20:29:27 UTC
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:



How many days till your subscription runs out Miilla?? You made a big deal about qutting, just wondering if you're sticking to that or if you changed your mind...


I already have cancelled my yearly subscription.

I now play out my isk for gametime, at my current wallet balance, I have enough for gametime up to 2016, and my isk is currently growing...

I have more isk for gametime than eve has lifetime.

No more money though, as I said, subscription cancelled, money now put to better use.

Hans Jagerblitzen
Ice Fire Warriors
#8 - 2011-09-14 20:36:00 UTC
So the "I have ____many days till I'm done with EvE" countdown is officially over??

CPM0 Chairman / CSM7 Vice Secretary

Sable Blitzmann
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
#9 - 2011-09-14 20:38:07 UTC
Miilla wrote:
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:



How many days till your subscription runs out Miilla?? You made a big deal about qutting, just wondering if you're sticking to that or if you changed your mind...


I already have cancelled my yearly subscription.

I now play out my isk for gametime, at my current wallet balance, I have enough for gametime up to 2016, and my isk is currently growing...

I have more isk for gametime than eve has lifetime.

No more money though, as I said, subscription cancelled, money now put to better use.



So all that hubbub about quiting was simply stopping your sub? You know that whether or not you sub or buy PLEX, CCP wins. Isn't that what you're against? Do this community a favor and leave already. ;)
Nyio
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2011-09-14 20:41:12 UTC
Miilla wrote:
I have enough for gametime up to 2016, and my isk is currently growing...


I accept donations. Smile
Hans Jagerblitzen
Ice Fire Warriors
#11 - 2011-09-14 20:48:02 UTC
So basically, Miilla's pomp and circumstance and countdown had nothing to do with them actually leaving the game. They simply now use other people's money to do the same thing - troll CCP, waste people's time in game, waste people's time on the forums, and provide nothing of any value in terms of criticism or discussion.

If only you had the integrity to follow through with what you said you were going to do Miillla - shame on you.

Miillla - whether you use PLEX or use your own cash, you are supporting the company. Do not pretend otherwise. You are a paying customer who is contributing to the ongoing financial health of the corporation you are tearing down.

If you want to make a statement to CCP, stop logging in. Be part of the number drop off that might actually motivate them to change their ways. You yourself encouraged others to stop logging in and playing. To keep playing with other people's cash via PLEX is utter hypocrisy.

You are, and have always been, part of the problem. Time to step up and be part of the solution. By leaving.

CPM0 Chairman / CSM7 Vice Secretary

Morganta
The Greater Goon
#12 - 2011-09-14 21:01:11 UTC
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:
So basically, Miilla's pomp and circumstance and countdown had nothing to do with them actually leaving the game. They simply now use other people's money to do the same thing - troll CCP, waste people's time in game, waste people's time on the forums, and provide nothing of any value in terms of criticism or discussion.

If only you had the integrity to follow through with what you said you were going to do Miillla - shame on you.

Miillla - whether you use PLEX or use your own cash, you are supporting the company. Do not pretend otherwise. You are a paying customer who is contributing to the ongoing financial health of the corporation you are tearing down.

If you want to make a statement to CCP, stop logging in. Be part of the number drop off that might actually motivate them to change their ways. You yourself encouraged others to stop logging in and playing. To keep playing with other people's cash via PLEX is utter hypocrisy.

You are, and have always been, part of the problem. Time to step up and be part of the solution. By leaving.


youmad?
Sable Blitzmann
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
#13 - 2011-09-14 21:09:01 UTC
Morganta wrote:
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:
So basically, Miilla's pomp and circumstance and countdown had nothing to do with them actually leaving the game. They simply now use other people's money to do the same thing - troll CCP, waste people's time in game, waste people's time on the forums, and provide nothing of any value in terms of criticism or discussion.

If only you had the integrity to follow through with what you said you were going to do Miillla - shame on you.

Miillla - whether you use PLEX or use your own cash, you are supporting the company. Do not pretend otherwise. You are a paying customer who is contributing to the ongoing financial health of the corporation you are tearing down.

If you want to make a statement to CCP, stop logging in. Be part of the number drop off that might actually motivate them to change their ways. You yourself encouraged others to stop logging in and playing. To keep playing with other people's cash via PLEX is utter hypocrisy.

You are, and have always been, part of the problem. Time to step up and be part of the solution. By leaving.


youmad?

A little, yeah. I had high hopes I would never see Milla again. =(
Hans Jagerblitzen
Ice Fire Warriors
#14 - 2011-09-14 21:53:31 UTC
Morganta wrote:


youmad?



Nope, not mad. Disappointed that Miilla somehow snuck past anti-troll security, but thats up to the moderators to decide.

I think its important to point out that if there are currently two effective ways to make a difference and improve Eve Online:

1) Stay, participate, offer constructive solutions, and be respectful to others in the community, as well as the developers who have worked hard to make Eve Online what it is. Frustration over the current state of affairs should be aimed at upper management, not developers. The developers are working hard, but are not being given enough resources to fix what players want them to fix. Miilla and other trolls simply roll it all into "CCP SUX" territory, which is pointless and disrespectful.

2) Leave the game. Not just cancelling your sub but logging in everyday for the next year, or switching to PLEX payment, but by actually not logging in. Jester's hard data is now in public view, CCP should be well aware that there is a direct correlation between player satisfaction and player participation. Players like Miillla who both play the game and simultaneously tear it down, obfuscate this correlation and prevent progress for the rest of us who enjoy EvE.

CPM0 Chairman / CSM7 Vice Secretary

Trolls Troll
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#15 - 2011-09-14 22:13:18 UTC
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:
Morganta wrote:


youmad?



Nope, not mad. Disappointed that Miilla somehow snuck past anti-troll security, but thats up to the moderators to decide.

I think its important to point out that if there are currently two effective ways to make a difference and improve Eve Online:

1) Stay, participate, offer constructive solutions, and be respectful to others in the community, as well as the developers who have worked hard to make Eve Online what it is. Frustration over the current state of affairs should be aimed at upper management, not developers. The developers are working hard, but are not being given enough resources to fix what players want them to fix. Miilla and other trolls simply roll it all into "CCP SUX" territory, which is pointless and disrespectful.

2) Leave the game. Not just cancelling your sub but logging in everyday for the next year, or switching to PLEX payment, but by actually not logging in. Jester's hard data is now in public view, CCP should be well aware that there is a direct correlation between player satisfaction and player participation. Players like Miillla who both play the game and simultaneously tear it down, obfuscate this correlation and prevent progress for the rest of us who enjoy EvE.



Why do you care?
Richard Hammond II
Doomheim
#16 - 2011-09-14 23:20:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Richard Hammond II
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:
So the "I have ____many days till I'm done with EvE" countdown is officially over??


thats a huge surprise? how many ppl actually quit when they rage on the forums that theyre going to?

Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:
So basically, Miilla's pomp and circumstance and countdown had nothing to do with them actually leaving the game. They simply now use other people's money to do the same thing - troll CCP, waste people's time in game, waste people's time on the forums, and provide nothing of any value in terms of criticism or discussion.


well then do the right thing; report every post you see that qualifies as the above and Milla will eventually get banned.

Though if you wanna really get technical, youre doing what youre accusing him/her of doing "troll Milla, waste people's time on the forums, and provide nothing of any value in terms of criticism or discussion" and adding personal attack on top of it lol

Goons; infiltration at its best - first bob... now ccp itself. They dont realize you guys dot take this as "just a game". Bring it down guys, we're rooting for you.

Hans Jagerblitzen
Ice Fire Warriors
#17 - 2011-09-15 00:09:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Hans Jagerblitzen
Edit: forum ate my response. Apprently the new forums are buggy as hell with the in-game browser....but that's probably a topic for another thread.

CPM0 Chairman / CSM7 Vice Secretary

Hans Jagerblitzen
Ice Fire Warriors
#18 - 2011-09-15 00:27:22 UTC
Trolls Troll wrote:

Why do you care?


I care because I enjoy this game. I've met a lot of great friends here, in and out of game. I want it to thrive. I want it to attract more players. I think community building is as important a part of that as begging CCP to invest more resources into fixing problems and deploying new content.

Part of that community building is healthy constructive dialogue on the forums. It's the reason there are posted rules. Some individuals try to push this - by either saying the bare minimum for a comment to not be considered a troll, or by outright button pushing, opening threads that they know full well will get locked. Tes Schwartz has been doing this a lot recently.

To answer Richard's question - the reason i spoke up about Miilla is that the entire community knows them to be altogether destructive and negative in their comments. Yes, we should all flag them. Same with Tes Schwartz.

I have no problem pointing the fingers when I dont think there's much to debate - its common knowledge Miilla gets their kicks by insulting CCP, insulting the CSM, and repeatedly and incessantly predicting Eve Online Doomsday scenarios, while continuing to support the company by remaining a paying customer. PLEX or cash is irrelevant.

Forum rules are there to keep things fun and positive, and I think its in the forum community's best interest to discourage this kind of childish behavior. By calling a spade a spade if necessary.

Anyone here is welcome to flag me, I'm confident the moderators will let me know if I've crossed the line. :)

CPM0 Chairman / CSM7 Vice Secretary

Fawcks
Doomheim
#19 - 2011-09-15 00:57:26 UTC
WhyTry1 wrote:
blah blah blah blah blah the CSM in CCPs eyes are pretty worthless blah blah

The CSM is worthless to everyone's eyes. :/
EVE Stig
Doomheim
#20 - 2011-09-15 03:21:38 UTC
Fawcks wrote:
WhyTry1 wrote:
blah blah blah blah blah the CSM in CCPs eyes are pretty worthless blah blah

The CSM is worthless to everyone's eyes. :/


except theirs

"Some say that he is actually dead, but the Grim Reaper is too afraid to tell him." "Some say he is the 3rd member of Daft Punk and he did the vocals of "Technologic" song. All we know is,he's called EVE Stig"!

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