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Angelica Dreamstar
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#121 - 2015-07-13 10:53:12 UTC
Ameriya wrote:
I should note that this service is for capsuleers. The DNA splice will be a part of their complete genome by the cloning processes. While it would be possible to procreate and pass on the modifications, all clones that are produced with mods will be sterile.
Is biomassing ones self part of the procedure? No thanks...

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Richard Masseri
Intaki Liberation Front
Intaki Prosperity Initiative
#122 - 2015-07-13 16:09:09 UTC
Anabella Rella wrote:
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Am I the only one who doesn't have a huge problem with body modifications? It's not like they're genetic and would pass on to your offspring, is it?


You're far from alone, Pilot. I say to each their own as well.


I'm with you guys, what's all the fuss its not hurting anyone and though I'm not sure it would look that good on me that look, looks rather stunning on her.

Someone once told me Gallente society was all about freedom so the amount of judgement from some of her Gallente peers seems highly ironic.

Just Another Capsuleer 
Ameriya
Doomheim
#123 - 2015-07-13 21:48:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Ameriya
Elmund Egivand wrote:


Unless something has changed, clones prior to usage are empty shells, scaffolds of extracellular-matrices and nucleus-less cells, bathed in saline solution and kept in cryo. They only start taking on characteristics of the individual when moved into reserve, whereupon template DNA (based on the individual's genetic information) is introduced into the clone body, which is then treated in a soup of hormones, cytokines and other signaling molecules for an undisclosed period of time in a controlled environment. What exactly did you change?


You know, you can grow clones the old fashioned way. It takes longer, but is doable.

Angelica Dreamstar wrote:
Is biomassing ones self part of the procedure? No thanks...

Not at all. It will be usable the same way that a jump clone would be.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#124 - 2015-07-13 22:31:14 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Am I the only one who doesn't have a huge problem with body modifications? It's not like they're genetic and would pass on to your offspring, is it?

I am way more worried about NAKEDNESS to show them!! Evil

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

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Shun Makoto
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#125 - 2015-07-13 23:16:02 UTC
Why would any sane person subject themselves to this disgusting procedure?

Oh I think I just answered my own question...they aren't sane.

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Liam Antolliere
Doomheim
#126 - 2015-07-13 23:34:20 UTC
Richard Masseri wrote:
Anabella Rella wrote:
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Am I the only one who doesn't have a huge problem with body modifications? It's not like they're genetic and would pass on to your offspring, is it?


You're far from alone, Pilot. I say to each their own as well.


I'm with you guys, what's all the fuss its not hurting anyone and though I'm not sure it would look that good on me that look, looks rather stunning on her.

Someone once told me Gallente society was all about freedom so the amount of judgement from some of her Gallente peers seems highly ironic.



There is far more to Gallente society than simply "freedom" and you are mistaking our expressed opinions as "judgment." It is not judgment to express one's opinion on a particular topic, judgment would be if I proclaimed Mademoiselle Amy to be unfit for public viewing, declared her lifestyle abhorrent or otherwise attempted to make myself superior to her. I have done none of these things.

What I have done is stated that I am not particularly fond of body modding and would personally prefer to see less of it, I've in no way told her that she has no right to continue doing as she pleases to her own body.

Besides, my "down with this sort of thing" was directed more at the public indecency than the body modding, as I personally find it distasteful, particularly in mixed cultural venues such as this one.

And before you decide to dice apart what I consider "indecency," I was referring to the inclusion of the information regarding the clothes being artificially digitally added after the photo was taken, as the information was unnecessary and provocative in nature.

"Though the people may hate me, that does not relieve me of my charge."
Ameriya
Doomheim
#127 - 2015-07-13 23:39:31 UTC
Liam Antolliere wrote:

And before you decide to dice apart what I consider "indecency," I was referring to the inclusion of the information regarding the clothes being artificially digitally added after the photo was taken, as the information was unnecessary and provocative in nature.


It was merely to point out that the digital manipulation of the picture was not the addition of the mods with a digital holoshop program, but the clothing.
Liam Antolliere
Doomheim
#128 - 2015-07-14 01:37:37 UTC
Ameriya wrote:
Liam Antolliere wrote:

And before you decide to dice apart what I consider "indecency," I was referring to the inclusion of the information regarding the clothes being artificially digitally added after the photo was taken, as the information was unnecessary and provocative in nature.


It was merely to point out that the digital manipulation of the picture was not the addition of the mods with a digital holoshop program, but the clothing.


A clarification which was made later, and which I have no issue with.

"Though the people may hate me, that does not relieve me of my charge."
Ameriya
Doomheim
#129 - 2015-07-14 01:42:45 UTC
Sorry, I kind of thought that was understood.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#130 - 2015-07-14 01:53:57 UTC
I feel like I understand everybody's point of view now.

Liam, I understand what you're saying about the stereotyping of Gallente culture as feckless and naked when, indeed, Gallente culture also contains many other types of personality and is not exclusively limited to the one or the other.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#131 - 2015-07-14 02:14:52 UTC
Ameriya wrote:
Elmund Egivand wrote:


Unless something has changed, clones prior to usage are empty shells, scaffolds of extracellular-matrices and nucleus-less cells, bathed in saline solution and kept in cryo. They only start taking on characteristics of the individual when moved into reserve, whereupon template DNA (based on the individual's genetic information) is introduced into the clone body, which is then treated in a soup of hormones, cytokines and other signaling molecules for an undisclosed period of time in a controlled environment. What exactly did you change?


You know, you can grow clones the old fashioned way. It takes longer, but is doable.



Which will require the use of a donor womb, takes a whole 9 months to produce (faster if the 'mother' is forced to be hooked to a machine that injects growth hormones and supplementary nutrients into her womb) and produce a clone that's physically an infant and requires forcible aging by use of said cocktail of hormones and other molecules, a process which may take several years, not to mention having to be left in what is essentially a vegetative state.

There is a good reason why the 'empty shell' method is more widely used these days.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
Ameriya
Doomheim
#132 - 2015-07-14 02:36:37 UTC
Elmund Egivand wrote:
Ameriya wrote:
Elmund Egivand wrote:


Unless something has changed, clones prior to usage are empty shells, scaffolds of extracellular-matrices and nucleus-less cells, bathed in saline solution and kept in cryo. They only start taking on characteristics of the individual when moved into reserve, whereupon template DNA (based on the individual's genetic information) is introduced into the clone body, which is then treated in a soup of hormones, cytokines and other signaling molecules for an undisclosed period of time in a controlled environment. What exactly did you change?


You know, you can grow clones the old fashioned way. It takes longer, but is doable.



Which will require the use of a donor womb, takes a whole 9 months to produce (faster if the 'mother' is forced to be hooked to a machine that injects growth hormones and supplementary nutrients into her womb) and produce a clone that's physically an infant and requires forcible aging by use of said cocktail of hormones and other molecules, a process which may take several years, not to mention having to be left in what is essentially a vegetative state.

There is a good reason why the 'empty shell' method is more widely used these days.

I meant in terms of culturing a clone from scratch. No standard blanks with osteoplastic bones or such. Splice the target DNA into stem cells of the client to culture the target clone. Yes, it takes a bit of time, but the results are quite good.

For my second body as a capsuleer, I went the long route and did use an artificial womb to grow my body and then applied a rapid aging process. No. it did not take several years. Of course, I did drop it a decade off! ^_-
Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#133 - 2015-07-14 03:48:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Elmund Egivand
Ameriya wrote:
Elmund Egivand wrote:
Ameriya wrote:
Elmund Egivand wrote:


Unless something has changed, clones prior to usage are empty shells, scaffolds of extracellular-matrices and nucleus-less cells, bathed in saline solution and kept in cryo. They only start taking on characteristics of the individual when moved into reserve, whereupon template DNA (based on the individual's genetic information) is introduced into the clone body, which is then treated in a soup of hormones, cytokines and other signaling molecules for an undisclosed period of time in a controlled environment. What exactly did you change?


You know, you can grow clones the old fashioned way. It takes longer, but is doable.



Which will require the use of a donor womb, takes a whole 9 months to produce (faster if the 'mother' is forced to be hooked to a machine that injects growth hormones and supplementary nutrients into her womb) and produce a clone that's physically an infant and requires forcible aging by use of said cocktail of hormones and other molecules, a process which may take several years, not to mention having to be left in what is essentially a vegetative state.

There is a good reason why the 'empty shell' method is more widely used these days.

I meant in terms of culturing a clone from scratch. No standard blanks with osteoplastic bones or such. Splice the target DNA into stem cells of the client to culture the target clone. Yes, it takes a bit of time, but the results are quite good.

For my second body as a capsuleer, I went the long route and did use an artificial womb to grow my body and then applied a rapid aging process. No. it did not take several years. Of course, I did drop it a decade off! ^_-


If I remember correctly, blank-slate clones are more 'assembled' than 'grown', so I assume you use an artificial womb to grow the spliced stem cells.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
Ameriya
Doomheim
#134 - 2015-07-14 03:50:39 UTC
Trade secret.
Richard Masseri
Intaki Liberation Front
Intaki Prosperity Initiative
#135 - 2015-07-14 09:53:01 UTC
Liam Antolliere wrote:
There is far more to Gallente society than simply "freedom" and you are mistaking our expressed opinions as "judgment." It is not judgment to express one's opinion on a particular topic, judgment would be if I proclaimed Mademoiselle Amy to be unfit for public viewing, declared her lifestyle abhorrent or otherwise attempted to make myself superior to her. I have done none of these things.

What I have done is stated that I am not particularly fond of body modding and would personally prefer to see less of it, I've in no way told her that she has no right to continue doing as she pleases to her own body.

Besides, my "down with this sort of thing" was directed more at the public indecency than the body modding, as I personally find it distasteful, particularly in mixed cultural venues such as this one.

And before you decide to dice apart what I consider "indecency," I was referring to the inclusion of the information regarding the clothes being artificially digitally added after the photo was taken, as the information was unnecessary and provocative in nature.


I am sorry for mistaking your expressed opinions and judgement though I seriously doubt I was the only one, as for you being worried about how this is seen in a multicultural venue such as this I feel this is hardly the most damning thing the Federation has produced by a long shot. As for your comment regarding "freedom" you know I already understand that one too well in fact I might also suggest that though the individual might be "free" the society is not.

One closing point on judgement, expressed opinions can be judgemental of course I will assume that yours are not. The beautiful bit one might say is you can both hold different views and yet both live together in one society, an achievement to be sure.

Just Another Capsuleer 
Liam Antolliere
Doomheim
#136 - 2015-07-14 11:48:36 UTC
Monsieur Masseri,

You are correct in that you are likely not the only one that mistook my intention.

However, that is no fault of yours, it is a fault of mine. I did not clearly express myself and thus left my words open to misinterpretation.

For this, you have my apology.

"Though the people may hate me, that does not relieve me of my charge."